David Jeffrey Spetch

Extreme crisis / The slaughters of recent and passed history! Religion!

Everything that exists or ever existed is because there is always energy matter and time recreating energy and matter. Proof of that is nothing can come to be or exist without there first be energy matter and time to re create energy and matter. Take a look around you, everything consists of three things, energy, matter and time. Everything!

Proof that energy matter and time always existed is that anything that exists, exists such as you or me. How so is that proof energy matter and time always was? …Everything that exists factually took the energy matter and time to re create energy and matter for us to come to be in the forms we now inhibit.

Nothing can exist or have the ability to create unless there is first the energy to excerpt the force of matter for anything over time to come to be. That is right, there is not anything that just goes poof without there first be the energy, the matter and the time for it to happen.

This is factual evidence proving beyond a shadow of doubt that every religion is based upon a fundament of lies fabricated as truth and belief. And for many religions, in other words this is factual evidence proving beyond a shadow of doubt the belief there be a so called god be a completely factually proven lie.

You want to show any kind of validation through factual contradiction to the fundaments that that what I share is not in any way factual evidence, then quite simply give one factual example of anything being able to exist without there "first" be the "energy, matter and time". Just give one factual example. There are billions of examples on this Earth even that for anything that exists to first come to be there first must be energy, matter and time. Three things that easily prove the fundaments of every religion are based upon a fundament of lies fabricated as truth and belief.

And it is such an outrage that even though for thousands of years religion has proven to lead the globe to war and divide countless times, people are still so ignorant to claim they have a right to be religious no matter how much suffering the globe has already proven to endure thanks to religion …for "thousands" of years. The following of proven lies is obviously the priority over the well being of the life on the planet to every single religious follower that exists or ever did exist and thousands of years prove it! For thousands of years this has been serious cause for alarm and for thousands of years ignorance has shown to be religions only defense in every way. That and along now that we have factual evidence that proves beyond a shadow of doubt that every religion is based upon a fundament of lies fabricated as truth and belief. It's time to cleanse our lands from this filth called religion.

I am not merely an atheist, and atheist merely believes religion is hogwash I am a factualist that has proven with factual evidence that every religion is abased upon a fundament of lies.

What it boils down to is that the following of lies such as religion is not worth thousands of years of war and divide. The life on the planet deserves better than the following of lies (religion) that has lead us through war and divide for thousands of years from individual throughout international levels. It is time for the sick disease called religion to come to an end. It is time to put an end to thousands of years of war and divide due to the cause of followings of such lies upon all the lands.

Thousands of years prove global unity is not attainable with such ignorant divides as the ignorance of the following of such proven lies as religion among us. You feel our children being thrown off into a future of war and divide is worth having religious followers selfishness to follow lies no matter the expense both religious and non religious life must suffer for such ignorance religious followers have displayed over thousands of years pproving it over and over.

How is it possible that after thousands of years of proof, governmnets can keep the sick nightmare called religion legal. Do any one of them have a concious? It is no secret that ignorance is religions only defense in every way.

David Jeffrey Spetch
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panteth4h2o

****snickers at OP with hand over mouth*****


Well, considering your godless "tolerance" for homosexuals and transvestites, a world without religion (for which you also have no tolerance) has a much better future, seeing that religion is so danged intolerant and is to blame for the world's miseries. Damn religion. We should outlaw it like godless commies.

Izzibeth

That was the first thing that popped into my head as well. Your points, David, don't really hold too much merit since you talk about branding people you don't like in another thread. You know.... religious people used to do the same thing to people who had committed certain sins....... How can you condemn religion for spreading hate when you, an atheist, have pretty much the same message?

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Brother Oz

So you're saying, God can't exist because he couldn't have made things out of nothing? That energy and matter always exist, they're not destroyed or created? Aren't you kind of missing the point of religions like these? God is supposed to be all-powerful, so obviously he can create whatever.
Plus, just because something can't be created now, doesn't mean it wasn't created in the past.


This brought something amusing to mind, which is slightly off-topic...
When St Augustine was trying to convert the English to Christianity, he was once asked, if God created the world, but wasn't created himself (in Pagan mythology, gods were always created by something) and has always existed, then what was he doing before he created the world?
St Augustine answered "Making Hell, for people who ask annoying questions."

No joke, he really said that. Brilliant!

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FRYandBENDER

Oh boy, where do I begin?

Time is a human creation. Matter and energy have nothing to do with time, so far as I have read. I'm willing to listen to further explanation seeing as how I didn't get my degree in physics. Still, I don't see how understanding the relationship between matter and energy disprove the existence of a God.

Nevermind the good things that religious people do. We'll just forget about the reasonable religious people that spend their time and money helping other people out. So what if the majority of religious people find comfort in their faith, or have used religion to help them become better people. It is better for us to focus on those who use religion in a bad way...... right?

You have a final solution?

People are going to find something to fight about whether it is religion, money, land, food, or a watering hole. If you think that eliminating religion is going to make all wars go away then you might want to read a little more history.

What other behaviors are you willing to give the government the right to control and monitor? Not in my country bud. Our government already has way too much control. "Government is not the solution to our problems, Government is the problem."

Good luck with your crusade though.

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Neither am I the means to any end others may wish to accomplish. I am not a tool for their use. I am not a servant of their needs. I am not a bandage for their wounds. I am not a sacrifice on their altars. ... I owe nothing to my brothers, nor do I gather debts from them. I ask no one to live for me, nor do I live for others. I covet no mans soul, nor is my soul theirs to covet.

Ayn Rand, Anthem.

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dahermit

Not according to Einstein, et.al. I have enjoyed the Nova series, "The Elegant Universe", a four DVD series available from NetFlix. It discusses in depth that time is variable, speed of light is constant, the relationship between matter and energy, etc. I recommend the series for people who are curious about such things...I wanted to understand the nature of gravity, which was also discussed.

You will get more from the Nova series than that rambling attempt at intellectualism.

It don't, this guy is just being a legend in his own mind.

Izzibeth

Just to point out, and I'm sure there are other atheists in this thread, but.. yeah... atheists are not out to make religion illegal in the United States.

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Brother Oz

I don't think anyone thinks that many Atheists are out to make other religions in the US illegal.
It would be kind of counter-productive anyway, as it would get rid of the people who just go along with Christianity because everyone else is doing it. Also, it would make Christianity cool with teenagers. Which isn't easy to do!
And of course, God would reward those who carried on worshipping even though it was illegal.

There will be some atheists who'd like to make it illegal, like this guy, in the same way there will be some Christians who seek to make atheism illegal, but it's a tiny amount of people.

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... I am surprised at your insolence in writing to me at all. You know, as I know, that I bought this constituency... may God's curse light upon you and may it make your women as open and as free to the excise officers as your wives and daughters have always been to me while I have represented your scoundrel corporation.
I have the honour to be... your obliged humble servant, Anthony Henley
- MPs reply to constituent, mid 1700s

FRYandBENDER

I'll have to try to look those up. I was under the impression that time was only a measurement.

On a side note. I like to watch shows about physics and string theory and matter/energy, etc. I think it is fascinating. Does anyone else find it retarded that we have stuff that is this cool to learn about, yet we as humans get caught up in the most banal, inconsequential bullshit?

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Neither am I the means to any end others may wish to accomplish. I am not a tool for their use. I am not a servant of their needs. I am not a bandage for their wounds. I am not a sacrifice on their altars. ... I owe nothing to my brothers, nor do I gather debts from them. I ask no one to live for me, nor do I live for others. I covet no mans soul, nor is my soul theirs to covet.

Ayn Rand, Anthem.

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David Jeffrey Spetch

Notice the vaccant un backed claims amde by members repsonding.

Factual; evidence proves beyond a shadow of doubt there is no such thing as a god.

Also notice not one member addresses the factual fundaments within the very article beginning this very thread that prove beyond a shadow of doubt that every religion is based upon a fundamnet of lies..

That is quite simply because ignorance is religions only defense. Thank you for sharing more examples that ignorance is religions only defense. You are making this way too easy.

I also am not impressed with einstien but as far as time being a human creation goes ... aren't you a little high on yourself. All we did was come up with a way to measure time. Whether humans are around or not it still takes time for an asteroid to get from a to b.

David Jeffrey Spetch
ps.Be good, be strong!