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04-09-2007, 10:57 PM
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Catholics do not worship saints nor statues
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04-10-2007, 08:21 AM
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When I was growing up and being raised Roman Catholic, I saw quite a few statues in my church. And plenty of people kneeling in front of them.
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04-10-2007, 08:29 AM
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Of course catholics pray to saints. You would be in collision to the official line of the Vatican if you deny that.
Just think about the most famous saint, the holy Maria. Countless people pray to her.
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04-10-2007, 09:52 AM
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the statues are located in the back of the church to catholic Christians it's what's inside the church which only has Jesus in it.
People may "say a prayer, or might look up to these special people of the Lord's but they in no way worship them"
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04-10-2007, 11:42 AM
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the statues are located in the back of the church to catholic Christians it's what's inside the church which only has Jesus in it.
People may "say a prayer, or might look up to these special people of the Lord's but they in no way worship them"
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They do not only pray to eg Maria, they also worship her. There are even catholic organisations who focus on worshipping here.
And statues are not at all banned to the back of the church. They can be anywhere, even though often (not always) they are part of an altar (does not have to be in the back of the church).
Are you catholic?
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04-10-2007, 11:50 AM
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Catholics do pray to saints, they admire saints, and they take on a patron saint, but they only worship God. They don't worship Jesus. They don't worship any saints, or even the Holy Mother of Christ. They appreciate and accept these as a part of their faith, and honor them as having died for what they beleived or in someway helping God, the only one who they worship. Though you say they worship Jesus, they don't. They honor him with the title of the messiah, christ, our savior, but they do not worship him.
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04-10-2007, 12:28 PM
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Catholics do pray to saints, they admire saints, and they take on a patron saint, but they only worship God. They don't worship Jesus. They don't worship any saints, or even the Holy Mother of Christ. They appreciate and accept these as a part of their faith, and honor them as having died for what they beleived or in someway helping God, the only one who they worship. Though you say they worship Jesus, they don't. They honor him with the title of the messiah, christ, our savior, but they do not worship him.
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Jesus is god and vice versa. According to the principle of the holy trinity I can not see any problem to pray to Jesus like to god.
I am sorry, I dont know the fine differences in English between praying at and worshipping. According to the translation site, it would have to be pretty much the same.
And there is not the slightest doubt that in the catholic religion you do pray to Mary. I mean what else would be the purpose of "Hail Mary", a very traditional and also common catholic prayer.
Of course its only a "intercession". But why should I need to pray to Mary, if I could take the direct wire to God instead? Its because the concepts of saints sell well. People like to have some theological representation for their profession or their group etc.
Once it were gods, now, they have to take up the 2nd row behind god. Thats the sole difference.
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04-10-2007, 12:40 PM
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Praying is asking, telling, or another form of requesting blessings. Catholics worship God and, I guess you do have me there, some do worship Jesus. Worshiping is a higher form of praying, to put your complete faith in these people or things. You must utterly beleive and agree with someones principles to worship them. At least that's what I beleive. People ask things of the saints, and honor them, but do not beleive in them or worship them. If you are catholic, you beleive in God. Saints aren't something to be beleived, we know they existed, we are simply honoring them with sainthood. The virgin Mary is highly honored and prayed to because she bore the son of God. The son of God brought Gods word to the Earth, he wasn't like God himself. He was Gods son.
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Praying is asking, telling, or another form of requesting blessings. Catholics worship God and, I guess you do have me there, some do worship Jesus. Worshiping is a higher form of praying, to put your complete faith in these people or things. You must utterly beleive and agree with someones principles to worship them. At least that's what I beleive. People ask things of the saints, and honor them, but do not beleive in them or worship them. If you are catholic, you beleive in God. Saints aren't something to be beleived, we know they existed, we are simply honoring them with sainthood. The virgin Mary is highly honored and prayed to because she bore the son of God. The son of God brought Gods word to the Earth, he wasn't like God himself. He was Gods son.
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Jesus, the holy spirit and God are one.
Regarding saints. Well, this might be true what you say, at least for you and many other catholics. But some organisations within the catholic church are so focused on eg the holy Mary that one somehow gets doubts if they think like you do about this issue.
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04-10-2007, 04:53 PM
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Yes, some do worship saints a bit overextentively. I dont know if that's a word, but it looks cool! I know you're European, but what language do you speak?
The problem with huge religions are that each sector of it comes up with a slightly tweaked beleif system. God is in Jesus, as He is in us all, but he is not Jesus, he is Jesus' father. Have you ever heard, as our church recites every mass, "he will be seated at the right hand of the Lord"? Meaning Jesus at the right hand of God, in heaven. Not as God, but helping God. The Holy Spirit ties them all in place. The Holy Spirit is like what enters us when we are accepted into the church, like the one that does what He commands it to do.
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