dahermit

If you say so. I would rather believe that it is as complex or simple as the person who thinks about it.
A suggestion: search on ieSpell.com. They have a free down loadable spelling program that will install itself into the upper right hand corner of these reply frames. I use it all the time...I am a terrible speller.
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dahermit

emptypepsi

Well, I would argue one can believe in ones self (have confidence, determination) and not have faith in a God. He/She may just find inspiration in some other form or something in life, whereas a belief in a possibly/or not possibly existing God does not provide that inspiration for him/her.

If you mean "self-worship", that's a whole other subject alltogether.

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presluc

To think is to beleive in thought is it not, and perhaps to have faith that your thought is a good one.
Thanks for the tip about my spelling,sorry about that but I am still learning about what you can and can't do on a computer 2 yrs ago I didn't know how to turn one on, or log in.

FRYandBENDER

Well kudos to you for learning how to use a computer. My dad knows jack about computers and when he tries to use one and he can't get it to work it is always the computer's fault. It is pretty frustrating to watch.

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presluc

I will be the first to admit I've had more than my share of mistakes on the use of a computer.

ThePryingDutchman

From the sociological (and somewhat agnostic) point of view: of course people need a framework in which the world makes sense. Lots of people find that framework in religion, because it explains virtually everything, has a long tradition and includes education from a young age. I liked your argument of a 'default' belief system. It's always harder to adopt a set of beliefs you have not been raised with.

I do object to your asking Christians to explain logically why their system is the right one. That's like them asking you what God did to make you not believe in him/her/it. The entire idea of religion is based on faith. So proof is no basis for you to ever be convinced. Should you be interested anyway, I'm sure someone can tell you about the meaning they attach to it.

To get the record straight: I consider myself to be agnostic. I cannot completely reject religion, but the number of faiths means that, should one of them preach the truth, thousands of others are not. I do like to collect more information, to get closer to an understanding of how the world works (although it's way too complex to ever truly 'get' it).

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