This is b.s. Jesus did not have a son, was sealed in a tomb - Political Forum

Wolfman · 02-26-2007, 11:46 AM

JERUSALEM (AP) — Archaeologists and clergymen in the Holy Land derided claims in a new documentary produced by the Oscar-winning director

James Cameron that contradict major Christian tenets. "The Lost Tomb of Christ," which the Discovery Channel will run on March 4, argues that 10 ancient ossuaries — small caskets used to store bones — discovered in a suburb of Jerusalem in 1980 may have contained the bones of Jesus and his family, according to a press release issued by the Discovery Channel.

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One of the caskets even bears the title, "Judah, son of Jesus," hinting that Jesus may have had a son. And the very fact that Jesus had an ossuary would contradict the Christian belief that he was resurrected and ascended to heaven.

Most Christians believe Jesus' body spent three days at the site of the Church of the Holy Sepulcher in Jerusalem's Old City. The burial site identified in Cameron's documentary is in a southern Jerusalem neighborhood nowhere near the church.

In 1996, when the BBC aired a short documentary on the same subject, archaeologists challenged the claims. Amos Kloner, the first archaeologist to examine the site, said the idea fails to hold up by archaeological standards but makes for profitable television.

"They just want to get money for it," Kloner said.

The claims have raised the ire of Christian leaders in the Holy Land.

"The historical, religious and archaeological evidence show that the place where Christ was buried is the Church of the Resurrection," said Attallah Hana, a Greek Orthodox clergyman in Jerusalem. The documentary, he said, "contradicts the religious principles and the historic and spiritual principles that we hold tightly to."

Stephen Pfann, a biblical scholar at the University of the Holy Land in Jerusalem who was interviewed in the documentary, said the film's hypothesis holds little weight.

"I don't think that Christians are going to buy into this," Pfann said. "But skeptics, in general, would like to see something that pokes holes into the story that so many people hold dear."

"How possible is it?" Pfann said. "On a scale of one through 10 — 10 being completely possible — it's probably a one, maybe a one and a half."

Pfann is even unsure that the name "Jesus" on the caskets was read correctly. He thinks it's more likely the name "Hanun."

Kloner also said the filmmakers' assertions are false.

"It was an ordinary middle-class Jerusalem burial cave," Kloner said. "The names on the caskets are the most common names found among Jews at the time."

Archaeologists also balk at the filmmaker's claim that the James Ossuary — the center of a famous antiquities fraud in

Israel — might have originated from the same cave. In 2005, Israel charged five suspects with forgery in connection with the infamous bone box.

"I don't think the James Ossuary came from the same cave," said Dan Bahat, an archaeologist at Bar-Ilan University. "If it were found there, the man who made the forgery would have taken something better. He would have taken Jesus."

Although the documentary makers claim to have found the tomb of Jesus, the British Broadcasting Corporation beat them to the punch by 11 years.

Osnat Goaz, a spokeswoman for the Israeli government agency responsible for archaeology, declined to comment before the documentary was aired.

There wasn't even any churches back then
judah was not Jesus's son and he didn't have one

The da vinci code was a work of the devil dan brown an idiot ever read the da vinci hoax...???
catholics are Christians mary magdalene had nothing to do with Jesus...Jesus shuned women away he didn't want relationships he came to save us from our sins
the opus dei did not hurt anyone infact they helped people grow stronger in their faith

Jesus did not have a son, judah
was one who questioned his faith...
in three days Jesus ressurected no one was in the tomb
it was impossible for anyone to steal him the tomb was sealed by a big stone rock it took three people to remove it even then they need someone strong

There's God the father of time and space,
The Son of God Jesus, the Holy spirit

not to mention people back then made their own fires,
usually ate bread, fish, lamb, some meats???
there was no weights back then they got strong by manual labor
also not to mention that the tomb had a guard

Brother Oz · 02-26-2007, 12:01 PM

The tomb contains the following names:
Joseph, Joshua son of Joseph (remember Jesus is the greek form of Joshuah), Judas son of Joshua, Matthew, Mary, Miriam.

Jesus didn't have a relative called Matthew. His brothers were called James, Joseph, Simon and Judas.

Plus, these are all very common names in ancient Israel anyway. If you read the gospels, you find loads of people with the same names, the same names were used a lot. There are 3 people called Mary for example, out of only about 6 or 7 women whose names are even mentioned. Jesus had two disciples and a brother called Judas, and two disciples and a brother called Simon. There must have been loads of Joshuas whose fathers were called Joseph, since those are two of the more significant figures in the Jewish religion.

Wolfman · 02-26-2007, 12:14 PM

and judah's father was not joshua and it sure wasn't Jesus don't mistake when they say brothers as blood brothers they mean spiritual brothers

Izzibeth · 02-26-2007, 01:02 PM

Even if it were true, I'm sure it wouldn't matter. People are getting all up-in-arms about this as if it would make an inkling of difference either way. Don't worry about it.

Also, I read on BBC News here that the names were: According to the Israel Antiquities Authority, six of those coffins were marked with the names Mary; Matthew; Jesua son of Joseph; Mary; Jofa (Joseph, Jesus' brother); and Judah son of Jesua.

I'm sure it will be a million different things before the actual names that were found are given.

Fox · 02-26-2007, 04:31 PM

I stopped taking this seriously when the TC said Churches didn't exist back then... ~__~

Wolfman · 02-26-2007, 06:18 PM

churches didn't exist back then they had small temples...
not to mention they say that box had Hudan??? on it...
Jesus did not have a son, his body disappeared and he ressurected into heaven

The Church

Originally built by the mother of Emperor Constantine in 330 A.D., the Church of the Holy Sepulcher commemorates the hill of crucifixion and the tomb of Christ's burial.

On grounds of tradition alone, this church is the best candidate for the location of these events. The Garden Tomb was not identified as such until the 19th century.

remember the first church was 330 years after Christ's crucifixtion

rakkasan · 02-26-2007, 08:55 PM

the only problem i have is the DNA testing ......what do you test it against to prove it is jesus?

Fox · 02-26-2007, 09:19 PM

The Shroud of Turin, of course. Just ignore the science that disproves its authenticity--carbon dating (or whatver they used) is just another hammer in Satan's toolchest.

I have two points to mention....

1. The documentary is being made by a man I recognize from a similar documentary about Moses... I remember that it had high production values, but virtually all of the narration was taken verbatim from the King James' bible. I don't exactly see him as very credible.

2. What's the big deal? Who cares if Jesus has brothers or children. Who cares if he died and was resurrected. Is this bizzare mythology the sole foundation of Christianity? If Jesus was just a normal man does that somehow turn his teachings and philosophies into drivel? Give me a break. Please. If the teachings of Jesus cannot stand on their own footing--if we cannot take anything he said as truth UNLESS he was divine--then Christianity is not WORTH believing in. This strikes me as an obvious truth; I am stunned when I see people, so-called religious authorities, appear on television and utterly denounce the slightest possibility of Jesus living a human life because it would DESTROY Christianity.

It's absurd beyond articulation.

Brother Oz · 02-26-2007, 09:40 PM

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2. What's the big deal? Who cares if Jesus has brothers or children. Who cares if he died and was resurrected. Is this bizzare mythology the sole foundation of Christianity? If Jesus was just a normal man does that somehow turn his teachings and philosophies into drivel? Give me a break. Please. If the teachings of Jesus cannot stand on their own footing--if we cannot take anything he said as truth UNLESS he was divine--then Christianity is not WORTH believing in. This strikes me as an obvious truth; I am stunned when I see people, so-called religious authorities, appear on television and utterly denounce the slightest possibility of Jesus living a human life because it would DESTROY Christianity.

While I agree with you in terms of the teachings of Christianity on how we should live our lives, obviously it would affect Christianity in terms of the afterlife and stuff like that.

Fox · 02-27-2007, 12:34 AM

*obligatory mention of the Kantian Moral Imperative*

Heaven and Hell are Reward and Punishment... that's how we deal with children. Is humanity still at that stage? Do we need to have some omnipresent father figure looming over our every action to keep us civilised?