Capxeno

I had come up with a theory/philosophy that was called “dangerous” for politics by the wisest person I know

Here it goes

There is no such thing as freedom
Because as long as there is an authority above you
You are caged to follow that authority
Thus you are not free
Meaning that America land of the free
Must be a lie
Since there is a government
There is authority
If you have anything/anybody that has any control in your life
You are not free
Thus our American freedoms are not freedom but “privileges”
The bill of rights should be called the bill of privileges
Land of the free sold be land of the better off
Freedom can’t exist in a govern
Thus there must be no order to have freedom
Thus its chaos
But then even in chaos
A govern of “the strongest survives” is implemented
Thus you are still not free
I find it that freedom is impossible
Even under the most ideal circumstances
Freedom cannot find reality

Well that is what my realization was. Take it as what you make of it.

Truth-Bringer

Capxeno,
You really should take the time to read the following. I think you'll find it quite interesting based on what you've written here:

The Nature of Government

Pluto

In other words what's you saying is that absolute freedom is impossible because of human nature. Even if we had a libertarian communist utopia there will be the power-hungry or greedy few who will not respect other's rights and will take advantage of them. Maybe in order for a society to exist, people have to give up some of their freedoms.

mrnumbersman

You must make sure that we you are talking about is freedom and not license. The political philosophy of 18th century France was really about license. It has continued to this day. The founding fathers understood this and were very careful to craft documents that reflected freedom, not license.

Nash

The same that you say of freedom is the same that can be said of darkness, is night time really dark?? Can we truly experience darkness, no we cant. However with freedom their will always be a government over a body of people, always!! Even if everybody died and just you and your family survived either you or your father would take the place of establishing a governence for survival of the family. The question is will you or he be a tyrant, will you boss around your family and do no work or will you work together with them.

The reality is that if you oppress people and you are in a position of authority then you are taken away their freedoms. And if you are in a position of authority and you do not oppress and you are not a tyrant then the people under you are free, free to live in a society that respects their right not to be oppressed. This is what the united states was founded upon however at the same time they oppresed the indians but we are a race of war and war will always happen.An those who come into a position of authority over a people can either be a tyrant government or be a good government for the people.

Existential Chris

Though it is apparent that the definition of "freedom" is at the mercy of the current civilization, one can argue that freedom is a device of enticement and the representative truth behind the definition is only a social, but fictional construct. Contemporary societies do not allow true freedom, but compromised conciliations that moderate the social forces from killing off the greedy, power hoarders.
Please consider that when enough human beings in numbers larger than 50 individuals are together, something begins to happen. There is more demand to parse various duties into fewer and fewer sections of the population in order to maintain a certain comfortable level of exertion. It is built into our social,cognitive, behavioral survival strategy. But, what is also in our strategy is natural competition, which will exaggerate anything out of control.

presluc

Perhaps real freedom should not find reality.
Real, true freedom would mean every individual would be able to be free to do whatever they want.
In my opinion this would lead to chaos, panic, ans destruction.
Take for example a gang they are said to be free,but you look close you'll find
some authority calling the shots..
To qoute the late great Janis Joplin "FREEDOM IS JUST ANOTHER WORD FOR NOTHIN LEFT TO LOSE"

Capxeno

Also long as we call America the land of the free we are lying.

Can you go down the street with a shotgun and kill who ever you see?
No because there are police who are "above" you who stop you.

Then again I'm the kind of person who Un-alphabetizes the books at the library due to an extreme hate of order.


Freedom does not exist thus the US should stop saying we're free.

Kazikli Bey

What makes you think that killing a person makes you free? If you kill a person, you're taking away their freedom and right to life.

Being free in its original intent meant that you were not owned and bound by the state. It meant that you could criticize your government, you were no longer repressed and that you were not worth nothing.

So tell me, does that American state own you? Are you not free to criticize your government? Are you repressed? Please, indulge me, tell me how you are not free and how America is so hypocritical because of the freedoms it doe not grant.

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presluc

Although America is not hyprictal.

Freedom in America is a fine line.
There was an old rock song called "signs".
I'm sure you've heard it.

Although America is the land of the free up to point, and this is just about as good as it gets.

Here are a list of Freedoms that may question real freedom in America today,
No Smoking in most resturants
Seat belt law,
Wiretaps without a warrent
illegal, does it just apply to Americans who live in America?
Need I go on,

Do niot misunderstand I love my country and the state I live in, and I am gratefull for what freedom I do have,but to say Americans are completely free in my opinion is a mistatement.