So what. They still used it....lol. Falsely or not, they used it to creat a monster.



Who pays for the abortions? How do poor people afford abortions, yet cant afford birth control? Explain that one please.

Planned Parenthood does abort on race alone?

Black Pro-Lifers Protest Planned Parenthood, Criticize Obama -- 04/25/2008

The Truth About Margaret Sanger: Planned Parenthood: Living out the Racist Vision of Margaret Sanger

Should Planned Parenthood accept donations specifically for abortions of black babies?

Response to caller 'a serious mistake,' says Planned Parenthood of Idaho | News Updates | Idaho Statesman

Should Planned Parenthood happily accept donations for the purpose of aborting "black babies"? - Yahoo! Answers

Plan and simple from the first link above:

"....The rally was in response to recent reports by a student publication at UCLA which released recorded telephone conversations in which a purported donor offered to make contributions for race-targeted abortions to some Planned Parenthood offices and representatives of those offices agreed to accept them. Planned Parenthood later apologized, stating it was not their policy to accept race-targeted donations....."--from the first link above.



Ok, how do they afford an abortion then? Who is paying for it? Obviously they arent since afterall they are poor.

The rich are providing the funds to planned parenthood are they not? How does $1 billion in revenue get into Planned Parenthood coffers? It wouldnt be the first time rich elities gave money for a eugenics ideal.

Poor people cant afford abortions, yet they are having them. Who is paying for it?

Quit talking to me like I am a 4 year old. Its insulting.

Is Planned Parenthoof educating these women on the psychological effects of abortion? Are they talking to them about adoption? What education does Planned Parenthood provide?

Well from that perspective one can argue that religion caused the Crusades, the Salem Witch Trials, 9/11, the Israeli/Palestinian Conflict, the entire expanse of The Dark Ages, the Catholic Sex Scandal, theocracies, monarchs, etc. It should also be noted that the allies of the Germans the Japanese, saw their Emperor as the reincarnation of Amaterasu and kamikaze literally means divine wind. It is also a known fact through statistics people who identify themselves as very religious are more likely to be racists then non-religious, seculars, agnostics or atheists so the it's unlikely the eugenics issue could have happened without them playing their part. Especially in a time when atheism was frowned upon.

I think if you want to say ideologies or theories get people killed then that's your prerogative, just make sure that your not hypocritical about it like Ben Stein is.

Absolutly true. Science is not evil and niether is faith. It is the warping of the pure things we find in this life that causes so many problems.

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64,999,987 firearms owners killed no one yesterday.

Ido agree that religion has been skewed and bastardized to screw a whole bunch of things up. I disagree that Christianity started the Crusades, men did. Had those men followed what they proclaimed to believe in there would have been no Crusade. They all would have eventually become part of the Ottoman Empire and been subjected to another misinterpretation of faith.

I am not sure I have heard Ben Stien say that religion has never led to problems though. Do you have proof of this hypocrisy?

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'Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not.'

~ Thomas Jefferson

64,999,987 firearms owners killed no one yesterday.

They didn't use it. They twisted it into something else and that something else had already been going on. They hid behind the "science" of it... even though they changed the science to suit what they had already been doing.

I can easily explain it. It's called donations and government grants. As I work at Planned Parenthood, I can explain further.

People come in and, if they don't have health insurance, they pay based upon their income. If a woman comes in and she has NO income whatsoever, then the services that are provided to her fall into the "donation level". This means she pays whatever she can towards her services. Anyone under the age of 20 automatically falls under "donation level".

Planned Parenthood gets a lot of donations and grants so they can do what they need to do. As abortion services are only 3% of what PP does... I'm sure you can imagine that a lot of people are able to get pap smears, HIV tests, prenatal visits, nutrition consultations, etc. for free or very cheap. Those who have the ability to pay are expected to pay. Those who do not have the ability to pay are expected to pay only what they can. Worry about the health first and payment later.

I read each of those articles (and comments) above and it is truly a shame that the people taking the donation agreed to take them. However, I would like to see what other places they called on their list as well. Personally, I would also like to listen to the calls and see how they were responded to because it is certainly not policy (people don't go through racist training in order to work at PP) to say "understandable... understandable..." when someone talks about not wanting to have too many black people in the world. While some racists may work at Planned Parenthood, Planned Parenthood is not a racist organization.

In terms of the first one you linked, the pro-life black women, I think they have been duped. They are obviously unaware of the 97% of other services that Planned Parenthood provides to their community like ultrasounds, prenatal check ups, pap smears, (in some states) screening for life, etc. and that is unfortunate. In my state, Planned Parenthood has certain area codes in which they send their Community Outreach Educators. These areas are located in low income areas with a high STI, cancer, abortion, and unwanted pregnancy rate and *gasp* the majority of people living in those areas are black. The Community Outreach Educators go to those places and teach people about sex ed, condoms, sexually transmitted diseases, etc. Are they being racist because they are focusing on the people who apparently need the most help?

I answered this above. 24% of Planned Parenthood's money comes from donations. I'm sure this is very similar to other women's clinics.

Those with money provide funds to Planned Parenthood. The PP that I work at does not do abortion services. So all of the money & donations comes from (we are located between a high school and a college) emergency contraception, birth control (pills, patch, IUDs, and ring), pregnancy tests, sti tests, and annual/initial pap smears. The nutrition program is once a week and free. Some of the girls that come in to get birth control give donations (usually whatever they have in their purses at the time which is probably around $3-15) and others are at the age where they have to pay for it full price. Many girls and women come to Planned Parenthood because we offer 6 months worth of pills without an exam (of course, after that time is up, an exam is necessary).

I was not. I was laying it out there in a way that would be more understandable since people seem to forget that not everyone has disposable income and not everyone can pay $32 a month for birth control pills AFTER paying about $250 for a gynecological exam in order to get those birth control pills (if the person does not have health insurance.. which is likely). So don't waste your energy feeling insulted.

What psychological effects? Any research into abortion would show you that the majority of women feel one thing towards their abortions. Relief. A sense of "thank god that is over". Some feel sad for a year. Some feel horrible for the rest of their lives. Most do not. I, personally, know a number of women who have gotten abortions (one is a best friend of mine) and not one of them has been permanently psychologically destroyed by their abortion. In fact, not one of them even regrets it. And that is how it is for most women.

Planned Parenthood and other credible abortion clinics will not do abortions on women who are unsure of making that decision OR who are being coerced.

Yes. Before women get an abortion, they are counseled and assessed. Every available option is presented and the woman makes her own decision.

Comprehensive sexual education. This covers everything. From conception to birth to sex to HIV to pap smears to breast cancer to ectopic pregnancy to adoption to foster care and on and on and on.....

I think it would be beneficial to people who are against the organization to do some real research into what they actually do outside of abortion services. There are 4 Planned Parenthood clinics in my state. Two perform abortions on two days of the week. Aren't people even interested slightly about what the other services are? I'll give you a hint... it's not cross-breeding to make the perfect white skinned, blue eyed, blond haired males.

Also... how did this thread turn from Ben Stein's idiotic excuse for a documentary into me trying to defend women's clinics?

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All I know is he devoted an entire film to criticizing science and it's suppression of religion for the past century or so without accounting for how religion has suppressed science for the past few thousand years.

The logic train for Darwinism to translate to eugenics was:

Darwin touted natural selection of the best to the best, illustrating the weakest or slowest would be eaten or die or not be chosen as a mate. Therefore those creatures would not pass on its genetic material to the next generation.

Eugenicists saw that humans allowed the weakest among us to breed where is nature was involved they would have not been able to. So it was actually un-natural for them to procreate. Allowing certain people to procreate un-naturally allowed certain genes to survive where they should have died out.

Yes, religion has done this too. "If you do not believe what I believe, you must die because you could only be evil if you don't believe in my god."

Maybe some day we will be evolved enough to not over think our science and under think our faith.

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'Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not.'

~ Thomas Jefferson

64,999,987 firearms owners killed no one yesterday.

That is bias, not hypocracy.

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'Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not.'

~ Thomas Jefferson

64,999,987 firearms owners killed no one yesterday.

The question arose about Stein's alligation of science leading to Planned Parenthood in a bad way. Science > Darwinism > Eugenics > Planned Parenthood.

By the way, "Planned Parenthood began as the National Birth Control League, which was founded in 1916 under the leadership of Mary Dennett. The organization was later renamed the American Birth Control League under the direction of Margaret Sanger. The League was influential in liberalizing laws against birth control throughout the 1920s and 1930s before changing its name to Planned Parenthood Federation of America, Inc. in 1942.

Faye Wattleton was president of the Planned Parenthood Federation of America from 1978 to 1992, the longest term in the organization's history. During her term in office, the organization considerably expanded its services and became publicly visible in working for women's reproductive rights.

On February 15, 2006, Cecile Richards became president of the organization."
You had asked me about who preceded Sanger a few posts ago.

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'Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not.'

~ Thomas Jefferson

64,999,987 firearms owners killed no one yesterday.

Fair enough. It isn't hypocrisy, just extreme bias, selective evidence, heavily opinionated journalism and half truths. His movie might as well been directed by Michael Moore and yes I actually did watch some of it.