I was reading another thread recently in the philosophy section and I came across a comment that made me think. The poster basically said that if God does exist then you probably shouldn't judge him and it made me ask why not?

A belief in God does not necessarily mean a belief in his absolute infallibility. The Greeks most certainly didn't believe their gods were infallible and neither do most pantheistic religions for that matter. An ancient sect of Christians known as the Gnostics found the actions of God in the Old Testament so irreconcilable with his teachings that they dismissed all his actions in it as that of another evil God they called Deimurge. I find the later point particularly interesting. The reason is that rather then just ignore all of God's heinous acts in the Old Testament, they attributed it to another being at which point suddenly that being whose actions were no different then God's from the perspective of other Christians suddenly became evil.

I can't help but wonder, if I crossed the streets and spoke to a few Christians who possessed only passable knowledge about the actions of God in the bible and mask them as the actions of another god from a fictional cult would they condone the actions of that other God? What would we think of that other religion? I think we all know the answer to that question.

If there was proof that there is a God then there are plenty of actions (assuming the bible to be true to him) for him to be judged by that would most certainly eat away at any pretense of perfection. There is most certainly no evidence whatsoever that he is infallible as he is prone to temper tantrums, jealousy, self-contradiction, psychotic outbreaks, vengeance, promoting slavery, inciting wars, prejudice, mass murder, genocide, plague infliction, torture and many other atrocities that if committed by a human would no doubt be considered a one way ticket to hell by most Christians.

That's exactly what we need actually, to cross examine the actions of God and think whether or not we would ever perceive such a thing the same way if we were to remove the title of the supposedly infallible one and attribute it to someone or something else. And even more importantly, do we really want such a being to exist?

I mean seriously, how many people who live in big cities are hoping the story of Sodom and Gommorah are true ? Sodomites? Farewell San Fransisco. Greed? Remember the Olympics Salt Lake City? Murder? I smite thee Detroit.
I say this because someone in another thread actually mentioned this story in yet another thread regarding the Pope's visit to the US saying how we all need to get our act together. I find this interesting. Does he think it is within the God he worships ability to destroy an entire city or possibly even country of 300 million as what happened to the two cities in the story of ancient past? That is the being who he worships?

Obviously I'm an atheists, but not only do I not believe in God now that I begin to think about it I hope he doesn't exist. At least not as any religion has ever defined God or multiple gods in the case of pantheistic religions. I think I'd rather take my chance with oblivion after death then risk the chance of eternal damnation considering the nature of the being that supposedly has the right to judge me and I'm not saying that for dramatic effect either. Your thoughts?

You captured many of my thoughts exactly. I've always thought that even if there is a God, there is absolutely no reason to worship him. Sure, he created me... but that was HIS choice, not mine. And what has he done but give us a world of shit?

Another good point. Should we be thankful for him creating this world? I mean it could be much worse for me, but in most of the world like, China, India and Africa most people live in destitute poverty, surrounded by disease. What do they have to be thankful for?

I'd rather believe in an evil god than no god at all. I am also an atheist, but oblivion seems worse than hell, though supposedly non-existence is the eventual result either way. It's a shame the gnostics were ignored. That theory of theirs on the OT god would make christianity make a little more sense. On the other hand, the basic idea of Christianity doesn't make sense and nobody has been able to answer the following question: Why would God send himself/son to be tortured and killed so that he can change his own rules? If he was all-powerful and all-benevolent, then he would just forgive people who deserve forgiveness naturally without any need for being worshipped like some insecure fool.

I love how religious people spend time praising god for the good things in the world, but are too frightened to curse god for the bad. The good stuff is supposedly because of god and his "benevolence", the bad stuff is because of humans and free will.

or the Devil.

I find spirituallity more important than religion.

Worship teaches nothing except faith

I'm sorry I don't follow.

A God who loves them and wants to save them from the fiery judgment of hell for their sins.

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