First off im not a christian, secondly i never said that one man is more pure because he leads a church. Im saying that if your heart is pure then that puts you on a level that is above those that are unpure. That includes priest ect.ect.. the purity of your heart is what opens up understanding of God. Arrogance is what closes it, and also if you are of the mentality that God is going to send you hell if you dont believe that he has a son who died for you.Only God can decied who goes to hell men cannot.

you suggested that a priest had a purer heart than most because he was a priest. If I am wrong, sorry for my own arrogance. Lets move on.

How do you measure the purity of a heart? CAN you? is purity even a real thing, or is it a man made icon to give reason or description.

here are some dictionary ideas of "pure"

1. free from anything of a different, inferior, or contaminating kind; free from extraneous matter: pure gold; pure water.
2. unmodified by an admixture; simple or homogeneous.
3. of unmixed descent or ancestry: a pure breed of dog.
4. free from foreign or inappropriate elements: pure Attic Greek.
5. clear; free from blemishes: pure skin.
6. (of literary style) straightforward; unaffected.
7. abstract or theoretical (opposed to applied): pure science.
8. without any discordant quality; clear and true: pure tones in music.
9. absolute; utter; sheer: to sing for pure joy.
10. being that and nothing else; mere: a pure accident.
11. clean, spotless, or unsullied: pure hands.
12. untainted with evil; innocent: pure in heart.
13. physically chaste; virgin.
14. ceremonially or ritually clean.
15. free of or without guilt; guiltless.
16. independent of sense or experience: pure knowledge.


Clean....from what? Hate, arrogance, evil? or does purity mean simply that you trust only what is true-nothing unwhole or false?

Personaly I think this whole thing with pure hearts is over rated (if I must use that also overrated cliche....). I value truth over kindness or love.

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yes you are wrong i was saying that even a man who is not a priest can have a purer heart than that of a priest.

None knows the heart but God so only he can judge you, and you yourself know your own heart, you know if your good or if your bad. Every word is man made to give reason or description, this is how we learn. Is there really a such thing as dark, can we truly say that we can experience dark?


yes it means all of this free from hate ,arogance, EVIL ,and to trust what is true nothing unwhole or false.


Truth goes right along with kindness and love, how can you be kind if your not true to yourself or how can you show love without being true? Truth is a big thing to be valued however it does not nullify kindness or love rather it intertwines with them.

No I don't believe in any greater being, I respect all religions but find it humerious that you follow a book based off of one mans writting. My own moral beliefs satisfy me, those are to live life full, safe, healthy, and without extreme greed. That is all man has to follow.

Why live the way "something" tells you too, I like to be free.

Honestly my thought is blank, I really don't care. Live life the way you want to, I'm happy.

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You find following a book or books written by highly respected men funny? Yet your own moral beliefs satisfies you? Live life full safe healthy and without "extreem" greed. So its ok to have some greed just dont be extreem? You are able to live free not follow the way that God wants for you. You do however believe in a greater being not God but your own desiers"my own moral beliefs satisfy me" You have taken on a belief system a "religion" of your own and placed yourself as the god. This is no different than what the pharrohs done.

Following my own moral beliefs satisfies me. Why should I follow yours or anyone elses? Just because I don't believe in the morals of God doesn't mean I believe greed is good. I believe that we should be free from genetic desires such as sex, power, respect, and wealth (wealth isn't direcly genetic but many people want it dearly and it is poison to their lives). Then we are truly strong.

I place myself as the God of my own personal relegion that know one else can follow because it's not theirs its mine, my own code, my own truth. I am God because I say what is true in my life. For example-I see a small man on the sidewalk. My brain tells me he is there and he is small, not some other being such as "God." If I wish to think that that man is not there he is not there because I choose him to vanish. Of course his image may be there but I can be pleased that in my own reality he is virtual. The Pharroahs were not evil people-they were enslaved as much as their own people but for different reasons. Do not condem the chained for failure, think pity of them and learn.

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this is what you said first then you say...

You reject God because you believe that you are a god, Like I said you follow your own vain desires.

Which rendering of the gospel do you read? There are over 200 different greek and latin manuscripts of the gospel of Luke. I personally have read five different renderings of the greek version of the gospel of Luke. Each one of them has a very unique and slightly different story to tell. Which is your favorite version to read... or do you rely on your english handicap? If so thats fine, just realize, you're reading not the literal words, but a interpretation. Afterall, it takes a very foolish person to believe the first words of the bible are literally translated, "In the beginning". A first grade education in Hebrew will tell you otherwise.

I suggest you take the time to read, New Testament Greek Manuscripts: Luke by Reuben Swanson, it might help to enlighten you about the "gospel".

Are the members of your congregation not intelligent enough to read the scriptures themselves and come away with their own interpretations?

There is a big difference in a priest, rabbi, guru and a random stranger. While I can't speak with authority about priests, guru, and random strangers; I can tell you that in a service, a guru or a priest leads the service and the stranger sits by in silence listening. In Judaism, the Rabbi is there as a resource to help you learn. If you ask a question, rather than tell you the answer, they will show you where to find the answer. They may help you interpret the answer, but for the most part, its about teaching you how to teach yourself. During services, different members of the congregation lead the service, not the Rabbi.

I had to jump in here, because this is the most fallacious argument I've ever read. This, I suppose, is your first premise, veiled as a question to hide its lameness.

Again you continue to give meaningless questions, as if they have meaning.

This is a prime example of a straw-man. You suggest that this person's argument is that he believes in a god who is his own selfish desire, though he did not say it. You set up this dummy argument that is easy to tear down because it is completely fabricated.




The pharaohs, eh? Oh, another fallacy. The old red herring. Bring up an issue that has nothing to do with the argument. Is the victim of your argument now supposed to separate himself from the pharaohs before continuing the debate?

An argument based on obvious, unskillfully perpetrated fallacies is on the level of a kindergarten discussion.

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I'm pretty undecided on the issue of a God (bordering on atheist these days). I follow no dogmatic religion. I believe that morality is not "fixed", rather it is situational. I have my own personal set of guidelines by which I live. I'm not perfect. I just try to improve and learn from each lesson I go through in life.

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