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Izzibeth · 05-15-2008, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Taliesin

I don't have any specific reason for it, but I just have a very hard time imagining that the universe has existed forever. It might just be the way my mind is wired, but the idea of time having no beginning is something that I can't fathom.

I think nearly every human being has this problem. Mainly because we have a beginning and an end and that is how we view life. That is why you see so many religions begin and end with "god" (whoever it may be). No more thinking is required beyond that. "God" always was and always will be. The end.

I have a feeling that matter and dark matter always was and always will be but I couldn't even begin to tell you why, how, where, when, or what. I don't know. But for me, gods don't fit into my version of reality except in video games and fantasy novels.

Miltiades · 05-18-2008, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Izzibeth

I think nearly every human being has this problem. Mainly because we have a beginning and an end and that is how we view life. That is why you see so many religions begin and end with "god" (whoever it may be). No more thinking is required beyond that. "God" always was and always will be. The end.

I have a feeling that matter and dark matter always was and always will be but I couldn't even begin to tell you why, how, where, when, or what. I don't know. But for me, gods don't fit into my version of reality except in video games and fantasy novels.

yes, most people refuse to accept a thing that was always there-no begining....or creator. This is by no means a blow to any relegion with a creator(s), Im just saying that most people cant accept somthing NOT having a creator because everything in our little minds has a creator.

libertarian0507 · 05-19-2008, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Change

Atheists, what do you believe? Do you believe in any religion of any kind? Do you believe in anything of any kind?

No, no and no. There is no god, there is no point to belief. I follow interesting things called reason,logic and rationality. religion defies all those and there is no evidence whatsoever for any god(s) supernatural beings or forces/powers, or any of that other BS. There also is no Santa Claus, he was just your dad dressed up, sorry I had to be the one to break it to you. Religion served its purpose in helping to form human socities, in todays modern world it is no longer needed, execpt maybe as a cultural relic.

catawba · 05-19-2008, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by libertarian0507

No, no and no. There is no god, there is no point to belief. I follow interesting things called reason,logic and rationality. religion defies all those and there is no evidence whatsoever for any god(s) supernatural beings or forces/powers, or any of that other BS. There also is no Santa Claus, he was just your dad dressed up, sorry I had to be the one to break it to you. Religion served its purpose in helping to form human socities, in todays modern world it is no longer needed, execpt maybe as a cultural relic.

What about morality issues such as telling lies, adultery, theft, and murder?

Wheeldog · 05-19-2008, 05:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Change

Aithiests, what do you believe? Do you believe in any religion of any kind? Do you believe in anything of any kind?

You ask a contradictory question. How can a true athiest believe in a religion? I am more of an agnostic (I spent one year in the mission field), but I belive in many things; the beauty of nature, the sweet pleasure of a true love, the quiet courage of someone who refuses to compromise his or her principles, the awesome power of an idea and the importance of respecting those who may have different beliefs and values than my own.

Now, let me ask you some questions. I assume you do believe in a religion, possibly Christianity. Do you really believe that a snake spoke to Adam and Eve? Do you take as factual the story of Noah, the parting of the Red Sea, Jonah being swallowed by a great fish, etc., etc.? Do you think it is important to accept these alleged miracles as fact/faith in order to be "religious"? Personally, I do not believe that it is particularly important to belong to a particular religion or even to participate in special spriritual ceremonies. If God is real He probably doesn't really care if we try to flatter him and play to His ego. I figure that if such a supreme spritual being exists he must be pretty busy trying to keep tract of everything going on in the entire universe. Chances are that as long as a person is reasonably nice and doesn't intentionally hurt others he or she is likely to get their card punched at the pearly gates - if there are pearly gates.

LiveUninhibited · 05-19-2008, 01:41 PM

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What about morality issues such as telling lies, adultery, theft, and murder?

Atheists Supply Less Than 1% Of Prison Populations It's suprising how many people say to m

As Root said, "Indifference to religion, due to thought, strengthens character."

Also, atheists get divorced less:

U.S. divorce rates: for various faith groups, age groups and geographical areas

Yes, it's ironic, but on average, atheists are more moral than Christians.

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You ask a contradictory question. How can a true athiest believe in a religion?

Actually, religions are can be atheistic. Atheism means that the person lacks the belief in a higher power (deities). For example, some, but not all, forms of Buddhism do not believe in a higher power but are still religions.

catawba · 05-19-2008, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by LiveUninhibited

Atheists Supply Less Than 1% Of Prison Populations It's suprising how many people say to m

As Root said, "Indifference to religion, due to thought, strengthens character."

Also, atheists get divorced less:

U.S. divorce rates: for various faith groups, age groups and geographical areas

Yes, it's ironic, but on average, atheists are more moral than Christians.

Actually, religions are can be atheistic. Atheism means that the person lacks the belief in a higher power (deities). For example, some, but not all, forms of Buddhism do not believe in a higher power but are still religions.

I agree. I guess I didn't state my question very well. What I was trying to get at is how can those who profess to have morals (regardless of religious beliefs), support this Administration's policies of telling lies, theft, and murder?

The Lying Dutchman · 05-19-2008, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by catawba

What about morality issues such as telling lies, adultery, theft, and murder?

all people have morality despite the question wether they are religious or not. scriptures in which ethical considerations can be found existed also before christ.

Miltiades · 05-19-2008, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by catawba

I agree. I guess I didn't state my question very well. What I was trying to get at is how can those who profess to have morals (regardless of religious beliefs), support this Administration's policies of telling lies, theft, and murder?

"This Adminastration" is what? I cant reacall any major admin doing all of those at once.....wait, is it Al Capone? The Godfather? Oops thats not an actual admin, sorry. Please explain

catawba · 05-19-2008, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Miltiades

"This Adminastration" is what? I cant reacall any major admin doing all of those at once.....wait, is it Al Capone? The Godfather? Oops thats not an actual admin, sorry. Please explain

By your question, I can only surmise you have not been paying attention during the last 8 years. This administration lied about our reasons for invading Iraq, has occupied their country for 5 years, and through their control of the military, killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqis for control of their oil.
Where have you been?