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Old 05-07-2008, 07:00 AM
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what makes my heart any less pure than a man of the Church? Am I lesser than him simply because he chooses to lead a relegious organization and I do not? No insults from me here, but please, listen to that-your saying that one man is more "pure" than others because he leads his church. Mind you that several Priests havent been so, "purehearted" in the late...
First off im not a christian, secondly i never said that one man is more pure because he leads a church. Im saying that if your heart is pure then that puts you on a level that is above those that are unpure. That includes priest ect.ect.. the purity of your heart is what opens up understanding of God. Arrogance is what closes it, and also if you are of the mentality that God is going to send you hell if you dont believe that he has a son who died for you.Only God can decied who goes to hell men cannot.
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First off im not a christian, secondly i never said that one man is more pure because he leads a church. Im saying that if your heart is pure then that puts you on a level that is above those that are unpure. That includes priest ect.ect.. the purity of your heart is what opens up understanding of God. Arrogance is what closes it, and also if you are of the mentality that God is going to send you hell if you dont believe that he has a son who died for you.Only God can decied who goes to hell men cannot.
you suggested that a priest had a purer heart than most because he was a priest. If I am wrong, sorry for my own arrogance. Lets move on.

How do you measure the purity of a heart? CAN you? is purity even a real thing, or is it a man made icon to give reason or description.

here are some dictionary ideas of "pure"

1. free from anything of a different, inferior, or contaminating kind; free from extraneous matter: pure gold; pure water.
2. unmodified by an admixture; simple or homogeneous.
3. of unmixed descent or ancestry: a pure breed of dog.
4. free from foreign or inappropriate elements: pure Attic Greek.
5. clear; free from blemishes: pure skin.
6. (of literary style) straightforward; unaffected.
7. abstract or theoretical (opposed to applied): pure science.
8. without any discordant quality; clear and true: pure tones in music.
9. absolute; utter; sheer: to sing for pure joy.
10. being that and nothing else; mere: a pure accident.
11. clean, spotless, or unsullied: pure hands.
12. untainted with evil; innocent: pure in heart.
13. physically chaste; virgin.
14. ceremonially or ritually clean.
15. free of or without guilt; guiltless.
16. independent of sense or experience: pure knowledge.


Clean....from what? Hate, arrogance, evil? or does purity mean simply that you trust only what is true-nothing unwhole or false?

Personaly I think this whole thing with pure hearts is over rated (if I must use that also overrated cliche....). I value truth over kindness or love.
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Old 05-08-2008, 06:10 AM
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you suggested that a priest had a purer heart than most because he was a priest. If I am wrong, sorry for my own arrogance. Lets move on.
yes you are wrong i was saying that even a man who is not a priest can have a purer heart than that of a priest.

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How do you measure the purity of a heart? CAN you? is purity even a real thing, or is it a man made icon to give reason or description.
None knows the heart but God so only he can judge you, and you yourself know your own heart, you know if your good or if your bad. Every word is man made to give reason or description, this is how we learn. Is there really a such thing as dark, can we truly say that we can experience dark?


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Clean....from what? Hate, arrogance, evil? or does purity mean simply that you trust only what is true-nothing unwhole or false?
yes it means all of this free from hate ,arogance, EVIL ,and to trust what is true nothing unwhole or false.

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Personaly I think this whole thing with pure hearts is over rated (if I must use that also overrated cliche....). I value truth over kindness or love.

Truth goes right along with kindness and love, how can you be kind if your not true to yourself or how can you show love without being true? Truth is a big thing to be valued however it does not nullify kindness or love rather it intertwines with them.
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Old 05-08-2008, 08:51 PM
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No I don't believe in any greater being, I respect all religions but find it humerious that you follow a book based off of one mans writting. My own moral beliefs satisfy me, those are to live life full, safe, healthy, and without extreme greed. That is all man has to follow.

Why live the way "something" tells you too, I like to be free.

Honestly my thought is blank, I really don't care. Live life the way you want to, I'm happy.
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Old 05-09-2008, 08:12 AM
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No I don't believe in any greater being, I respect all religions but find it humerious that you follow a book based off of one mans writting. My own moral beliefs satisfy me, those are to live life full, safe, healthy, and without extreme greed. That is all man has to follow.

Why live the way "something" tells you too, I like to be free.

Honestly my thought is blank, I really don't care. Live life the way you want to, I'm happy.
You find following a book or books written by highly respected men funny? Yet your own moral beliefs satisfies you? Live life full safe healthy and without "extreem" greed. So its ok to have some greed just dont be extreem? You are able to live free not follow the way that God wants for you. You do however believe in a greater being not God but your own desiers"my own moral beliefs satisfy me" You have taken on a belief system a "religion" of your own and placed yourself as the god. This is no different than what the pharrohs done.
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You find following a book or books written by highly respected men funny? Yet your own moral beliefs satisfies you? Live life full safe healthy and without "extreem" greed. So its ok to have some greed just dont be extreem? You are able to live free not follow the way that God wants for you. You do however believe in a greater being not God but your own desiers"my own moral beliefs satisfy me" You have taken on a belief system a "religion" of your own and placed yourself as the god. This is no different than what the pharrohs done.
Following my own moral beliefs satisfies me. Why should I follow yours or anyone elses? Just because I don't believe in the morals of God doesn't mean I believe greed is good. I believe that we should be free from genetic desires such as sex, power, respect, and wealth (wealth isn't direcly genetic but many people want it dearly and it is poison to their lives). Then we are truly strong.

I place myself as the God of my own personal relegion that know one else can follow because it's not theirs its mine, my own code, my own truth. I am God because I say what is true in my life. For example-I see a small man on the sidewalk. My brain tells me he is there and he is small, not some other being such as "God." If I wish to think that that man is not there he is not there because I choose him to vanish. Of course his image may be there but I can be pleased that in my own reality he is virtual. The Pharroahs were not evil people-they were enslaved as much as their own people but for different reasons. Do not condem the chained for failure, think pity of them and learn.
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