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And every faith and religion is a lie?
I'm sure many people of varying denominations are still saved as long as they obey and believe the gospel entirely and don't put teaching of men ahead of what God teaches.
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I'm sure many people of varying denominations are still saved as long as they obey and believe the gospel entirely and don't put teaching of men ahead of what God teaches.
And the Catholics are doomed? We do not put the teaching of men ahead of god only we have a man to teach of the lessons of god.
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And the Catholics are doomed? We do not put the teaching of men ahead of god only we have a man to teach of the lessons of god.
Would you trust a random stranger to hold your car keys for you while you went into a store to buy something? That may not be a realistic scenario but it illustrates the point that you shouldn't trust the pope to teach you what God says but you should try to find it.
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Would you trust a random stranger to hold your car keys for you while you went into a store to buy something? That may not be a realistic scenario but it illustrates the point that you shouldn't trust the pope to teach you what God says but you should try to find it.
No it does not.
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Not really, no. I live my life following my own moral guidelines. What drives me away from religion is the entire concept of worship... I don't think anything is worthy of my worship. I do not have any problems with legitimately religious people, though. Everybody should follow whichever religion is best for them, as long as it isn't a false religion like Scientology.
All religions are false. Anyone who disagrees should answer me this:-

What is the difference between a priest/rabbi/guru, and another person, with the same level of knowledge about the bible, but who isn't a priest?
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All religions are false. Anyone who disagrees should answer me this:-

What is the difference between a priest/rabbi/guru, and another person, with the same level of knowledge about the bible, but who isn't a priest?
the purity of their heart
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I am an Agnostic/Athiest. I believe there is no God, yet I am willing to accept his existance shoul dit be true. I have no proof he does or does not control the universe so I am skeptical of both sides. However, I do not like what God has done with his time (should he exist) and I have more, "evidence" (Bad wording yes, but I can not find a more suitable phrase) that he does not exist than he does. In fact I have NO evidence that he does-only the word of my fellow human beings.
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the purity of their heart

what makes my heart any less pure than a man of the Church? Am I lesser than him simply because he chooses to lead a relegious organization and I do not? No insults from me here, but please, listen to that-your saying that one man is more "pure" than others because he leads his church. Mind you that several Priests havent been so, "purehearted" in the late...
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And the Catholics are doomed? We do not put the teaching of men ahead of god only we have a man to teach of the lessons of god.
What gives man the right to say what another believes, espicially if that another is God? Do we assume his teachings? Words are tricky and can be interpreted in many ways. Language is a poor way of comunication, but alas, no other way save for that of music and art can rival it...

What one man wants to convey can be twisted to ill means. As well as good means. Trust not what the priest or Pope teaches-trust what YOU hold to be true
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Aithiests, what do you believe? Do you believe in any religion of any kind? Do you believe in anything of any kind?
I have no firmly held dogmatic beliefs that are not based upon the preponderance of evidence as I perceive it (I don't claim to be objective, but I try). I believe that the problem with religion is that it is probably mass delusion, but that what people believe is real is real in its consequences. Thus a belief in the lie of religion harms and limits people arbitrarily, both inside and outside of the religious group.

I believe that people should be free to do what they want so long as they do not harm others against their consent. If ones action does not harm others, it is not wrong. Religions tend to place actions that do not harm others into the "immoral" category, and this leads to the persecution of innocent people.

Religion is also problematic because it is not flexible over time, it is dogmatic. Morality is not absolute, it is situational. The world changes. There are some acts that are almost always detrimental to others, but some usually depend on the specific situation or historical context. A good example of this would be sexuality. When there was no DNA testing or reliable birth control, promiscuity led to bastards. Sex generally led to babies, and thus it was difficult for it to be strictly recreational and those who treated it as such brought burdens upon their kin and created a baby that may suffer through life. Today, recreational sex is less likely to lead to such problems as there are more reliable forms of birth control and the father can be identified through DNA testing. Therefore, recreational sex (fornication, not adultery)is not as problematic these days as religious dogma says.

I think that believing certain days and places are sacred is also irrational. I don't see why anything should be treated as sacred. Nothing should be above question. Religion leads to irrational beliefs and behavior and the world would be better off without it.

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And the Catholics are doomed? We do not put the teaching of men ahead of god only we have a man to teach of the lessons of god.
There are Catholics who hurt a lot of people, and Catholics who help a lot of people, the same goes for any religion. Any God that would doom all Catholics while blessing Protestants is evil and deserves to be defied. The Protestants are on no better ground than the Catholics logically. The pope is a man, but the bible was also written by men, so the only difference is that the Catholics listen to somebody who is alive today while the Protestants follow only those who died over a thousand years ago. The problem with the Catholics is that they have historically tried to "sell" salvation, and the problem with the Protestants is that they have equated wealth and virtue.
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