Ygorl

Worldwide demographic shifts are working to the advantage of Islamic extremists, according to author and commentator Mark Steyn.



Speaking at the Heritage Foundation in Washington, D.C., Wednesday, Steyn, author of "America Alone," said foreign policy "realists" in the U.S. and Europe who seek to accommodate rather than confront Muslim radicals have bought into an "illusion of stability."

No, we've just become lazy and stupid.

At a time when much of the western world is experiencing "civilizational exhaustion," Steyn said, the Muslim world is benefiting from significant population growth.


"civilizational exhaustion," That's another way to say lazy and stupid.


The G-8 nations, he said, have "given up on having children" while they acquiesce to a large influx of Muslim immigrants.


We don' need no steenkin kids. That takes WORK. That forces us to grow UP. Let someone ELSE have kids.


As a result of the demographic changes in Europe and parts of Asia, Steyn anticipates the Muslim world will have three reliable votes on the U.N. Security Council in the not too distant future. Furthermore, by 2050, Russia well may be a majority Muslim nation, he added.


The demographic shifts are important, because although most Muslims dissociate themselves from terrorist acts, many share many of the objectives of extremists, including the desire to live under shari'a (Islamic law) in Europe, Canada and eventually the U.S., Steyn said.


Yeah, *pant*pant* here's the "source":


Mark Steyn: 'New Dark Ages' Coming

Brother Oz

The problem with these demographic projections is that they treat current population trends as set, when in fact the rates change. That is not to say that there won't be larger Muslim populations than today, and smaller ones in OECD countries, but it won't be as bad as it may seem.
Also, we're talking about 30-40 years time. How do you know Islamic Extremism will be a big problem then?

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Ygorl

Agreed. What's written is based on a pretty solid trend though. One that we should hope will be changing.

Maybe, maybe not. Something to make us think is all.

We don't. We also don't know if it will be a BIGGER problem. With our current apathetic laziness it seems like it might. Were weak and unwilling as a society to fight the kind of brutish BATTLE that will be coming to us again and again until we find our long lost gonads.

Brother Oz

Islamic extremism is a reaction against western culture, fueled by religion, conspiracy theories and western attacks on Muslim countries.
If you want to beat them, don't send huge armies, that will just make more people believe the rhetoric about the Zionist/Crusader conspiracy. What you need to do is trade with them, beam your porn and cheap pop music at them, until they're just like you. Destroy Islam with secular materialism, just as secular materialism damaged and severely weakened western Christianity. Bombing them will just create more hatred of you.

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Ygorl

Western attacks on Muslim countries ?

You make it sound as if we attack muslim countries because .... they're MUSLIM.

...In addition, Western attacks on Muslim countries (Afghanistan and Iraq) have fuelled the cycle of humiliation and vengeance propagated by jihadist leaders in their recruiting drives.

Why did we go into Afganistan ? Why did we go into Iraq ? Was it "Because they're MUSLIM." ?

Or was it because they're behaving like dangerous and murderous lunatics on the world stage ?

Wahhabism, which emerged in Arabia some two centuries ago and became the only accepted version of Islam in Saudi Arabia in the early 20 th century. Wahhabism advocates an endless war against unbelievers and the enemies of Islam until all the Muslim lands are united and the Wahhabi version of sharia law is emplaced. However, unusually among the often highly sectarian Sunni extremists, bin Laden has a pan-Islamic perspective that has allowed him to draw Shia groups, such as Hezbollah, into his broader anti-Western campaign.


DND Policy Group | Strategic Assessment 2003

“I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every finger tip of them.” (Koran 8:12)

“So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them . . . and [as for] those who are slain in the way of Allah, he will by no means allow their deeds to perish” (Koran 47:4)


“Allahs apostle” said, ‘ I have been made victorious with terror’” (Bukhari Vol. 4, Bk. 52, No. 220); and “Allah’s apostle” said, ‘Killing disbelievers is a small matter to us’” (Tabari IX:69).


Hillary Clinton: “Islam is the fastest growing religion in America, a guide and pillar of stability for many of our people.”
{ Larry B. Stammer, “First lady breaks ground with muslims,” Los Angeles Times, May 31, 1996. }



Lets examine that. We should continue beaming porn and our culture of garbage at the Muslim world ? Why would muslims be any less enraged and determined to attack America for marketing such permissiveness, decadence, and immorality in the first place ? Much of their angst is fueled by the number one American imports: pornography, lewdness, perverted music, and a way of life thats an insult to almost any family man on the planet. They want to protect what they believe in. It's not our social policy. It's the shit from Hollywood our materialism and our culture of nastiness.


Fighting these people is beyond most of our understanding. Why ? Because they understand ONE thing. Harsh, brute and unforgiving force. So, YES. Bombing the piss out if them back into the stone age where they CAME from is our only option. We will try "negotiating" and "appeasement" for awhile I suppose. Maybe we'll figure out that you can't negotiate with them. After more Americans get KILLED again and again and again. Liberalist ideals has made understanding this fact very difficult for many of us.


Yes, I said fact. Pay close attention to events in the coming months and years.

Ygorl

Tony Blair: Terrorism Not 'the West's Fault'

My comments in red


British Prime Minister Tony Blair, defending his interventionist policies in Iraq and Afghanistan, said on Friday Britain should carry on influencing world affairs through fighting wars as well as peacekeeping.

Blair said while public opinion might be divided, it was up to politicians to figure out how to gain the consent of voters to do both.


"Terrorism can't be defeated by military means alone, true. But it can't be defeated without it," Blair said in a speech at a naval base in Plymouth, southwest England.


What other "means" is there ? Is he suggesting that we can safely "negotiate" with deranged murderers at times ?


War has become more controversial since the September 11, 2001 attacks on the United States, Blair said, with campaigns waged against a militant worldwide movement based on a mis-reading of Islam, rather than conventional troops fighting conventional battles.


A "mis-reading" of Islam ? “I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every finger tip of them.” (Koran 8:12)

“So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them . . . and [as for] those who are slain in the way of Allah, he will by no means allow their deeds to perish” (Koran 47:4)


“Allahs apostle” said, ‘ I have been made victorious with terror’” (Bukhari Vol. 4, Bk. 52, No. 220); and “Allah’s apostle” said, ‘Killing disbelievers is a small matter to us’” (Tabari IX:69).

He reiterated on Friday that he believed it was "ludicrous" to suggest ousting Saddam Hussein or the Taliban had inflamed Muslim opinion.

Blair, also said rolling 24-hour media cover broacasting instant, often gruesome images also complicated the task politicians face persuading voters the battle is worth fighting.

"Public opinion will be divided, feel the cost is too great, the campaign too long . . . They will be constantly bombarded by the propaganda of the enemy, often quite sympathetically treated by their own media, to the effect that it's really all 'our', that is, the West's fault," Blair said.

Yes, the media is aiding and abetting the enemy. I know only some of us see that. The rest of us are falling for the lies, presentations and omissions of the media.


Tony Blair: Terrorism Not 'the West's Fault'

Ygorl

Yeah, lets go have tea with al qaeda. I have some very nice tea cakes that I'm sure they'll go crazy for

Yes, I've read a good bit of it. There ARE two versions too you know ? The hardcore, original and the newer. Kind of like all the versions of the Bible. It's just easy to see where the violence comes from, from some of the text in it.


What they show us and what they don't show us. What they tell us and what they don't tell us. And the way that it's done.

Ygorl

Tea and strumpets LOL They'd love that

No, I haven't combed through and compared all versions. If all versions call for peace and tolerance where does terrorism come from ? Why does Islam (which means submission) cause so MUCH of it ?

Well, without sitting in front of the TV every night with you watching the news it'd be pretty hard. And I probably won't take the time and expend the effort to take notes and capture soundbites to make my case.

I'm not the only one who sees it.

Yeah, we're easily dismissed as paranoid nuts. Doesn't bother me anymore

FRYandBENDER

I'll try to keep in mind the next time something good happens over there and the news' only mention of it is on the ticker while they're cover that 5 soldiers got killed by an IED.... or a situation similar to let you know about it WEB. Believe it or not it is not that uncommon. They don't want to let any information out that Bush migh have had some success. They've invested too much for him, an America, to be any less than a complete failure.

Personally, I don't think things are going to change untill we are hit again. Its on its way though. We might see a few more "smaller" attacks in European countries, but if you think they are just hanging out over there with their thumb in their ass waiting for us to leave your probably going to be really surprised when you hear a dirty bomb has been set off in New York, or Orlando, or Dallas.

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Ygorl

You say "Firstly there is not so MUCH of it..." and "Secondly, Islam does not cause so much of it." You go on with "US bias towards Israel causes a lot of it."


That you want to paint Islam as a "religion of peace" and muslims as wonderful, peace loving folks has gotten old. I've seen you do it for a long time. I'm not sure what motivates you to defend Islam and blame terrorism and Islams terrorist acts on America, but it's gotten old. If you want to know about Israel and Americas dealings with Israel I'd suggest you study here:


F L A M E : Facts&Logic About the Middle East


Here's something else I know you won't bother reading:


DAVID MEIR-LEVI: BIG LIES. Demolishing The Myths of the Propaganda War Against Israel

Anyways, here's a SHORT read of some things we know. More for you to ignore:

Everywhere muslims go they spread war. OR terror. 15 major religion-based conflicts in the world today. Afghanistan, Bosnia, Chechnya, Indonesia, Kosovo, Nigeria, Phillipines to the Sudan. Every one involves muslims fighting their neighbors.


America has been under a constant attack since 1979.

1. in November 1979 a group of Iranian students attacked and seized the American Embassy in Tehran. This seizure was an outright attack on American soil which set the stage for events to follow for the next 25 years. Shortly after the Tehran experience, Americans began to be kidnapped and killed throughout the Middle East.


2. In April of 1983 a large vehicle packed with high explosives was driven into the US Embassy compound in Beirut. When it explodes, it kills 63 people.


3. Then just six short months later in 1983 a large truck heavily laden down with over 2500 pounds of TNT smashed through the main gate of the US Marine Corps headquarters in Beirut and 241 US servicemen are killed.


4. Two months later in December 1983, another truck loaded with explosives is driven into the US Embassy in Kuwait.


5. September 1984, another van was driven into the gate of the US Embassy in Beirut.


6. In April 1985 a bomb explodes in a restaurant frequented by US soldiers in Madrid.


7. August 1985 a Volkswagen loaded with explosives is driven into the main gate of the US Air Force Base at Rhein-Main, 22 are killed.


8. 1985 a cruise ship, the Achille Lauro is hijacked and we watched as an American in a wheelchair is singled out of the passenger list and executed.


9. terrorists then bomb TWA Flight 840 in April of 1986 that killed 4 and the most tragic bombing, Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland in 1988, killing 259.


10. In January 1993, two CIA agents are shot and killed as they enter CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia.


11. February 1993, a group of terrorists are arrested after a rented van packed with explosives is driven into the underground parking garage of the World Trade Center in New York City. Six people are killed and over 1000 are injured.


12. November 1995 a car bomb explodes at a US military complex in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia killing seven service men and women.


13. June of 1996, another truck bomb explodes only 35 yards from the US military compound in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia. It destroys the Khobar Towers, a US Air Force barracks, killing 19 and injuring over 500. Terrorists are getting braver and smarter. They see that America doesn't respond decisively.


14. A simultaneous attack on two US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. These attacks were planned with precision. They kill 224.


15. The USS Cole was docked in the port of Aden, Yemen for refueling on 12 October 2000, when a small craft pulled along side the ship and exploded killing 17 US Navy Sailors.


16. And of course you know the events of 11 September 2001. Most Americans think this was the first attack against US soil or in America. How wrong they are. America has been under a constant attack since 1979 and we chose to hit the snooze alarm and roll over and go back to sleep.

You don't have to be in the FBI or CIA or on the National Security Council to see the pattern that has been developing since 1979.



Beyond this I won't argue with you about Islam. Defend this religion of hell all you want. Or study some of the history beyond the scope of "blame America first". Your take on it doesn't interest me because it doesn't seem like you want to know all of the facts about it.

Yeah I know. Just my own observations is all. I don't catalogue them all in my head. Wish I could :-)