When it comes down to it, believing in the Bible is reason - Page 4 - Political Forum

FRYandBENDER · #31 (**permalink**) 04-21-2008, 08:22 AM

This may be southern baptist nonsense, but I was always told in church that once you were saved you were always saved.

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Turning your back on God and going BACK to sinning means there is no more forgiveness for you.

Also, to "sin" is human. How bad do you have to "sin" to fall from his good graces? Is one "sin" too much? 50? 100?

Svante · #32 (**permalink**) 04-21-2008, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Santa_Claus

Hebrews 6:4 "For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame."

2 Peter 2:20 "For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning."

Hebrews 10:29 "Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?"

Romans 11:22 "Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off."

Matthew 10:22 "And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved."

Turning your back on God and going BACK to sinning means there is no more forgiveness for you. So if you are truly saved, DON'T FALL AWAY. STAY STEAD FAST WITH THE LORD AND OBEY HIS COMMANDMENTS UNTIL THE END.

THIS IS A DYING TEMPORARY WORLD! DON'T THROW AWAY THE PROMISE!

thank you

Izzibeth · #33 (**permalink**) 04-21-2008, 10:34 AM

Is this thread for discussion or preaching?

Nash · #34 (**permalink**) 04-21-2008, 12:34 PM

a men izzibeth

Santa_Claus · #35 (**permalink**) 04-21-2008, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Future Leader

Well I have two things to say about this, doesnt most churches preech to thier people "love God"? how can you love and fear god? And also when adam and eve bit into the apple of knowledge they were punished. How are you suppose to love a god that punishes you for learning?

Jesus does a super natural change in you so that you become like him so as long as you are seeking him and obeying the gospel. So it becomes a less fear relationship as time goes on and more a father and son relationship.
Romans 8:15 "For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father."

Santa_Claus · #36 (**permalink**) 04-21-2008, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Mordechai

Have you read the bible?

I read it everyday as much as I can till I burn out or have to make time for preaching the gospel to others. I was surprised to see how much I craved reading it.

Santa_Claus · #37 (**permalink**) 04-21-2008, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by FRYandBENDER

This may be southern baptist nonsense, but I was always told in church that once you were saved you were always saved.

OSAS is not true as the Bible verses above clearly show.

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Also, to "sin" is human. How bad do you have to "sin" to fall from his good graces? Is one "sin" too much? 50? 100?

The distinction between willfully violating God's law and ignorantly is made here in Hebrews.
Hebrews 10:26 "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries."

People will still sin after getting saved and Christ's blood continues to cleanse us from it.
1 John 1:9 "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."
If you sin you got to repent of it and keep going.

Slartibartfas · #38 (**permalink**) 04-21-2008, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Santa_Claus

Not exactly. People have plenty of experiences in life and knowledge of what goes on in the world to confirm to themselves the Bible is total truth. Real science confirmed to me that even totally widespread knowledge can be a widespread lie. Evolution and the big bang are complete frauds.

I can't see in how far you have brought my argument above to fall. The concept of god lies beyond the concept of reason. You can't prove it, you have to believe it. Thats nothing bad, its just like it is.

Evolution is not a "lie". Its a scientific theory based on scientific methods, thats a completely different category as "truth" or "lie" are. As such it belongs to the most important theories of the current time and also to one of the most confirmed ones as well. Many scientific theories like for example the one about gravity are standing on a much shakier basis.

Big Bang on the other side is just one of the possible scenarios, while it is the most commonly drawn one, its not in the position to be the sole viable scientific theory. It has nothing to do with the evolution theory btw.

George Berkely · #39 (**permalink**) 04-22-2008, 03:49 AM

I masterbate instead, so I take my mind off sin by sinning, its more fun than feeling sorry for yourself

The Lying Dutchman · #40 (**permalink**) 04-22-2008, 04:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Santa_Claus

Hebrews 6:4 "For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame."

2 Peter 2:20 "For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning."

Hebrews 10:29 "Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?"

Romans 11:22 "Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off."

Matthew 10:22 "And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved."

Turning your back on God and going BACK to sinning means there is no more forgiveness for you. So if you are truly saved, DON'T FALL AWAY. STAY STEAD FAST WITH THE LORD AND OBEY HIS COMMANDMENTS UNTIL THE END.

THIS IS A DYING TEMPORARY WORLD! DON'T THROW AWAY THE PROMISE!

dude, its just a book..