|
|
|
Dear guest,
Welcome to the internet's top destination for the civil discussion of politics. This is a forum for discussion and debate of the issues, and not for personal remarks aimed at other discussants.
This forum has no political affiliation and welcomes your perspective on the issues. Membership is free. If you would like to join the discussions and debates please REGISTER HERE.
All new members should review the forum rules. The "Today's Posts" button automatically adjusts itself to fit your screen on its first use for Firefox and on its second use, for Internet Explorer. Have a pleasant day. (This is a spam free board.)
|
 |
|

04-19-2008, 08:35 AM
|
 |
Mercenary
|
|
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 342
Country:
|
|
|
[quote=Mordechai;169892]Adam (אָדָם) translates as "dust" or "mankind".
Eve (חַוָּה), pronounced chavah, translates as "source of life" or "a living one".
Where do you get community and leadership from that?
adam as mankind is the leader, it is the leadership role of adam, eve as the source of life or a living one represents a community. In order for mankind to exist it must exist in a community. Mankind needs a source of life to exist likewise leadership needs a community. I see we have stoped the insults and now we are starting to get down to some learning of one another, good!!
|

04-19-2008, 08:43 AM
|
 |
Mercenary
|
|
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 342
Country:
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Santa_Claus
What makes you think that brings him to a low level? He never sinned while living on Earth as a man. If he had sinned, only that would have brought him to a low level.
|
to say God is a man brings God to a low level
Quote:
|
God overstepped giving us our righteously deserved punishment and provided for us a way to escape it. He was under no obligation to do this. He CHOSE to do it.
|
God is most mercyful , His mercy is our way of escaping punishment, There is no reason for God to come to earth as a man who drops shits and pees(did His shit smell like musk?) to remove our sins when he created us to make mistakes and sin and to ask for forgivness why would the same God need to die for what he already created and put into motion??? Hey did he do the same thing for animals or just the human animal.
|

04-19-2008, 09:59 AM
|
|
Conscript
|
|
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 21
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nash
adam as mankind is the leader, it is the leadership role of adam, eve as the source of life or a living one represents a community. In order for mankind to exist it must exist in a community. Mankind needs a source of life to exist likewise leadership needs a community.
|
Again, where do you get leadership or community from those... It's simply not in the Hebrew, is that just your interpretation/opinion?
|

04-19-2008, 11:31 AM
|
 |
Mercenary
|
|
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 342
Country:
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mordechai
Again, where do you get leadership or community from those... It's simply not in the Hebrew, is that just your interpretation/opinion?
|
it is in the hebrew and in the arabic if you understand it as such. tell me what is adams role and eves role?? the scriptures speak meteaphoricly as well
|

04-19-2008, 12:05 PM
|
|
Conscript
|
|
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 21
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nash
it is in the hebrew and in the arabic if you understand it as such. tell me what is adams role and eves role?? the scriptures speak meteaphoricly as well
|
Who determines what is to be taken literally or metaphorically? You? I? The Pope? The Rabbi's? To me, it seems as if you're choosing what to take literal, and what to take as symbolic. While I definitely agree that certain things are not literal, I question how you come to the conclusion. Jews have the Oral law that was given with the Torah at Sinai by Moshe. My Arabic is mediocre at best - I would never claim to be an expert on that.
|

04-19-2008, 12:12 PM
|
 |
Knight
Libertarian
|
|
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 516
Location: City 17
Country:
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nash
to say God is a man brings God to a low level
God is most mercyful , His mercy is our way of escaping punishment, There is no reason for God to come to earth as a man who drops shits and pees(did His shit smell like musk?) to remove our sins when he created us to make mistakes and sin and to ask for forgivness why would the same God need to die for what he already created and put into motion??? Hey did he do the same thing for animals or just the human animal.
|
Is there anything biblical about this argument? If you speak of a God not of the Bible, you're speaking of a false, different God than mine.
__________________
"Good intentions are a noble thing, but you have to look at the end result to see if those intentions are well placed."
-- LessGovMrPrez
"I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have."
-- Thomas Jefferson
|

04-19-2008, 01:53 PM
|
 |
Moderator
|
|
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 4,471
Location: Vedunia
Country:
|
|
|
Believing in god is not reason, its faith.
|

04-19-2008, 02:22 PM
|
 |
Knight
|
|
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 633
Country:
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Slartibartfas
Believing in god is not reason, its faith.
|
Indeed ....a huge leap of faith .
__________________
"One must never forget that monetary union, which the two of us were the first to propose more than a decade ago is ultimately a political project. It aims to give a new impulse to the historic movement towards union of the European states. Monetary union is a federative project that needs to be accompanied and followed by other steps." — Giscard d'Estaing and Helmut Schmidt
|

04-19-2008, 02:59 PM
|
 |
DoubleplusgoodMod
Ferraro's Worst Nightmare: A Hispanic Obama supporter!
|
|
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 2,771
Location: Planet Vulcan
Country:
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Slartibartfas
Believing in god is not reason, its faith.
|
Of course. I think the problematic contention here (or at least the implication) is that any other mindset other than the grand leap of faith is somehow unreasonable (which is ridiculous).
__________________
"The saddest aspect of life right now is that science gathers knowledge faster than society gathers wisdom."
Isaac Asimov
|

04-19-2008, 05:07 PM
|
 |
Mercenary
|
|
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 342
Country:
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mordechai
Who determines what is to be taken literally or metaphorically? You? I? The Pope? The Rabbi's? To me, it seems as if you're choosing what to take literal, and what to take as symbolic. While I definitely agree that certain things are not literal, I question how you come to the conclusion.
|
I study and icome to a conclusion based on deep thinking on scripture, knowledge is from God and he gives knowledge to whoever he pleases. If what i give from studing is able to help someone then that knowledge is not from me it is only from studing Gods words
Quote:
Originally Posted by Santa_Claus
Is there anything biblical about this argument? If you speak of a God not of the Bible, you're speaking of a false, different God than mine.
|
same God
|
| Thread Tools |
|
|
| Display Modes |
Linear Mode
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:45 PM.
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8 Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.0.0 RC6
A vBSkinworks Design
 |
|