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Old 04-19-2008, 08:35 AM
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[quote=Mordechai;169892]Adam (אָדָם) translates as "dust" or "mankind".
Eve (חַוָּה), pronounced chavah, translates as "source of life" or "a living one".

Where do you get community and leadership from that?


adam as mankind is the leader, it is the leadership role of adam, eve as the source of life or a living one represents a community. In order for mankind to exist it must exist in a community. Mankind needs a source of life to exist likewise leadership needs a community. I see we have stoped the insults and now we are starting to get down to some learning of one another, good!!
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Old 04-19-2008, 08:43 AM
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What makes you think that brings him to a low level? He never sinned while living on Earth as a man. If he had sinned, only that would have brought him to a low level.
to say God is a man brings God to a low level

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God overstepped giving us our righteously deserved punishment and provided for us a way to escape it. He was under no obligation to do this. He CHOSE to do it.

God is most mercyful , His mercy is our way of escaping punishment, There is no reason for God to come to earth as a man who drops shits and pees(did His shit smell like musk?) to remove our sins when he created us to make mistakes and sin and to ask for forgivness why would the same God need to die for what he already created and put into motion??? Hey did he do the same thing for animals or just the human animal.
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adam as mankind is the leader, it is the leadership role of adam, eve as the source of life or a living one represents a community. In order for mankind to exist it must exist in a community. Mankind needs a source of life to exist likewise leadership needs a community.
Again, where do you get leadership or community from those... It's simply not in the Hebrew, is that just your interpretation/opinion?
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Old 04-19-2008, 11:31 AM
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Again, where do you get leadership or community from those... It's simply not in the Hebrew, is that just your interpretation/opinion?

it is in the hebrew and in the arabic if you understand it as such. tell me what is adams role and eves role?? the scriptures speak meteaphoricly as well
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it is in the hebrew and in the arabic if you understand it as such. tell me what is adams role and eves role?? the scriptures speak meteaphoricly as well
Who determines what is to be taken literally or metaphorically? You? I? The Pope? The Rabbi's? To me, it seems as if you're choosing what to take literal, and what to take as symbolic. While I definitely agree that certain things are not literal, I question how you come to the conclusion. Jews have the Oral law that was given with the Torah at Sinai by Moshe. My Arabic is mediocre at best - I would never claim to be an expert on that.
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God is most mercyful , His mercy is our way of escaping punishment, There is no reason for God to come to earth as a man who drops shits and pees(did His shit smell like musk?) to remove our sins when he created us to make mistakes and sin and to ask for forgivness why would the same God need to die for what he already created and put into motion??? Hey did he do the same thing for animals or just the human animal.
Is there anything biblical about this argument? If you speak of a God not of the Bible, you're speaking of a false, different God than mine.
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Believing in god is not reason, its faith.
Indeed ....a huge leap of faith .
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Believing in god is not reason, its faith.
Of course. I think the problematic contention here (or at least the implication) is that any other mindset other than the grand leap of faith is somehow unreasonable (which is ridiculous).
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Old 04-19-2008, 05:07 PM
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Who determines what is to be taken literally or metaphorically? You? I? The Pope? The Rabbi's? To me, it seems as if you're choosing what to take literal, and what to take as symbolic. While I definitely agree that certain things are not literal, I question how you come to the conclusion.

I study and icome to a conclusion based on deep thinking on scripture, knowledge is from God and he gives knowledge to whoever he pleases. If what i give from studing is able to help someone then that knowledge is not from me it is only from studing Gods words

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Is there anything biblical about this argument? If you speak of a God not of the Bible, you're speaking of a false, different God than mine.

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