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View Poll Results: Please read the scenario. Then post your answer.
Smother your child. 6 37.50%
Do not smother your child. 10 62.50%
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Old 03-26-2008, 10:01 PM   #11 (permalink)
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ok how bout this..
then i would put the baby outside the door of the secret room that way while its crying the army guys can either kill it or let it live if they shoot it then its on them and if they take it with them then thank God and if i survive after the war i will try to find my child if possible.
hehe, well... opening the door would most likely give away the position. You don't have too much time to rationally think about what you are going to do in this hypothetical situation even though you have all the time in the world to think about it here at your computer screen. That's why I only gave the two choices. You have seconds to decide.. what do you do?
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Old 03-26-2008, 10:04 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I'm more of the armed resistance type. I don't consider hiding an option, but if I had to make a choice under that scenario, I cannot tell what I would do, I just don't know.
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Old 03-26-2008, 10:07 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Personally, I would smother my child. I would do this because I feel if I did not then I would be making decisions on everyone else's life in the room. The only ones who I have the right (in my opinion.. not in a legal sense) to decide life and death over are myself and my infant (and the infant ONLY because it can not make such decisions).

If I smothered my child and the enemy stormed in anyway and killed all of us, then I #1. wouldn't care anyway cuz I'd be dead and #2. would rather have had my child die at my own hands than be bayoneted to death or worse.

If I smothered my child and the enemy never found us, then I feel I would not have put other people in harm's way. If there are 15 other people in the room with me and my child's crying is sure to kill us all... but I can potentially save us by quieting it.. then I feel, personally, that I must do that. I can not, in essence, kill everyone else in the room.

So. That's my decision. But I am also not a mother. When I thought about my kitty being in my arms instead of a baby (he's the closest thing I have to a kid and I love him dearly) I hesitated but... I know I would definitely quiet him in the end. Again, I am holding other peoples' lives in my hand. I would not allow myself to be part of their deaths.
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Old 03-27-2008, 04:18 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Personally, I would smother my child. I would do this because I feel if I did not then I would be making decisions on everyone else's life in the room. The only ones who I have the right (in my opinion.. not in a legal sense) to decide life and death over are myself and my infant (and the infant ONLY because it can not make such decisions).

If I smothered my child and the enemy stormed in anyway and killed all of us, then I #1. wouldn't care anyway cuz I'd be dead and #2. would rather have had my child die at my own hands than be bayoneted to death or worse.

If I smothered my child and the enemy never found us, then I feel I would not have put other people in harm's way. If there are 15 other people in the room with me and my child's crying is sure to kill us all... but I can potentially save us by quieting it.. then I feel, personally, that I must do that. I can not, in essence, kill everyone else in the room.

So. That's my decision. But I am also not a mother. When I thought about my kitty being in my arms instead of a baby (he's the closest thing I have to a kid and I love him dearly) I hesitated but... I know I would definitely quiet him in the end. Again, I am holding other peoples' lives in my hand. I would not allow myself to be part of their deaths.
You forgot the possibility that the armed forces either were lazy or other reasons why you might not be killed. Thats not an impossible option that you get not killed, and if that happens, you have killed your child for nothing.

I dont claim this is more likely than your options, but it would be dangerous to neglect the mere possibility of this to take place.

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Old 03-27-2008, 06:44 AM   #15 (permalink)
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hehe, well... opening the door would most likely give away the position. You don't have too much time to rationally think about what you are going to do in this hypothetical situation even though you have all the time in the world to think about it here at your computer screen. That's why I only gave the two choices. You have seconds to decide.. what do you do?

pray and hope and if they find us then we are all dead its not my fault or my childs fault it would be the army mens fault for being murderous bastards because i wont kill my child and the people in the room would probly make noise to tell me to shut it up and give away our position and when they bust in its war im trying to kill some one but i know that most likely i would die before killing anyone of them but i would fight i would not kill my child we would die together in my arms fighting the army. Question what if the army men decied to stay in the house or they are stationed at the house for a week we will die of starvation anyway but this is war and if they located my house and my babys crying ill take that as a sign and when they bust in the secret room its a fight to the death!!

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So. That's my decision. But I am also not a mother. When I thought about my kitty being in my arms instead of a baby (he's the closest thing I have to a kid and I love him dearly) I hesitated but... I know I would definitely quiet him in the end. Again, I am holding other peoples' lives in my hand. I would not allow myself to be part of their deaths.
Oh now thats an easy one that cat would have his neck snapped in a heart beat remember he has 9 lives hahaha lol also if we become trapped then he becomes dinner taste like chicken
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You forgot the possibility that the armed forces either were lazy or other reasons why you might not be killed. Thats not an impossible option that you get not killed, and if that happens, you have killed your child for nothing.

I dont claim this is more likely than your options, but it would be dangerous to neglect the mere possibility of this to take place.

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Well, the situation which was presented on the television show placed one in a situation such as the Rwandan genocide. People were not taken prisoner during that. Children were hacked to pieces with machetes as easily as adults were. This is the kind of situation I meant to convey. The enemy in my example WILL kill you if they find you. I will add that to my original post just to make it clearer. ^_^
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Well, the situation which was presented on the television show placed one in a situation such as the Rwandan genocide. People were not taken prisoner during that. Children were hacked to pieces with machetes as easily as adults were. This is the kind of situation I meant to convey. The enemy in my example WILL kill you if they find you. I will add that to my original post just to make it clearer. ^_^
I still would not kill it probably, even though its nearly impossible to predict how you react under real conditions. After all, its not you killing all the hidden people, its the soldiers.

Starting to kill innocents here, is the stage before demanding torture to be committed by the state if it "helps saving lifes". I oppose that as well. Its abused by those who want to reintroduce barbaric acts under the disguise of rare extreme situations.

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That sounds even more brutal than what happened in the German Reich.
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Although this situation has presented itself countless times in past conflicts, from domestic battery to indiscriminate slaughter of human life. Can the choice be obvious? While it may sound shocking, this kind of thing is happening now in Iraq, Afghanistan, Tibet, Congo Republic, and any other war torn areas where human beings are forced to witness unspeakable acts of atrocity. Fear can unleash terrifying behavior.
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I'm an egocentric asshole... Kill the kid and make a new one next year...
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I could't smother my child or anyne else's for that matter. I would probably put it to the breast even if there was no milk there it would comfort the baby.
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