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03-22-2008, 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Fido
I have heard many stupid people pontificate on a variety of subjects, and they will, at some point always state that they are not stupid. I think if I reach the point of having to tell folks one way or the other then the jig is up. I suggest you ponder to what degree we are all the products and prisoners of our prejudices and beliefs.
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Point taken, one question.
Are we indeed prisioners of our prejudices and beleifs, or do we have a choice?
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03-22-2008, 02:53 PM
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As far as what religion is best?
I beleive in God, my religion is no better or worse than any other including nonreligous beleifs.
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03-22-2008, 03:25 PM
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Knight
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Originally Posted by BabyFang
I don't think anything should be done about it. Us Catholics are praying, we believe, to better the Jews. The prayer is made in good intention. Now if it said, "God, please stike down the Jews" I could see the problem. A prayer was also said for Athiest and non-Catholics to convert because we believe it would better them.
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No offense intended here, but all of us non-Catholics and non-believers are doing fine without the Catholic churches prayers for us to find the "truth". No religion or belief has a monopoly on the truth - I think it's a bit arrogant for a prayer to imply otherwise.
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03-22-2008, 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Fido
Insulting the Jews is cheap; and affording the privilage is dear.
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what make you think this are s o cheap and what make the privilage is dear?
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03-22-2008, 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Diligent_d
No offense intended here, but all of us non-Catholics and non-believers are doing fine without the Catholic churches prayers for us to find the "truth". No religion or belief has a monopoly on the truth - I think it's a bit arrogant for a prayer to imply otherwise.
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I take it you are an atheist which is fine by me it is your right.
My question is would not an atheist wish the human race well be they atheist or not?]
Then shouldn't the people who beleive in God wish the same for the human race be they beleivers or not through their own way,prayer?
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03-22-2008, 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by presluc
I take it you are an atheist which is fine by me it is your right.
My question is would not an atheist wish the human race well be they atheist or not?]
Then shouldn't the people who beleive in God wish the same for the human race be they beleivers or not through their own way,prayer?
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Good question: I'm not an atheist as I believe there is something out there. I just whole-heartedly reject what I perceive are the man-made religions we currently have. I think there are good teachings that can be had from all religions, but I do not accept them as holy or as the words of god(s). What frustrates me is when monotheistic religions pray for non-believers to understand the “truth”. They know the truth no more than I do, and it’s absolutely false and arrogant for them to say otherwise.
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03-22-2008, 04:15 PM
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Sovereign
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Sorry about the mixup about the atheist comment.
In my opinion in todays world we have two destink types of religion.
One is what an individual beleives and one is what I like to call the REIGOUS CORPORATION or industry if you prefer..
The differance is an individual beleives individualy and basicaly thinks individuals should beleive or non beleive it shud be their choice and are in some cases in disagreement to the Religious ind.
While people in the Religious Ind. have no questions just agreements.
It has been said that the original Christians prayed in the catacombs of Rome rather than going to the temple, because the temple had become corupt.
Perhaps in some cases that is what is happening today across all religions?
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03-22-2008, 04:33 PM
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Everybody of faith thinks that their beliefs are the path to heaven or else they would have those beliefs. So to a point they must believe that there faith is the truth. What is wrong with praying for another group of people. The reason it is the Jews in this prayer is because of their part in the death of Jesus. This wouldn't have been in issue if the Catholics were praying for the Bahai's to find the true faith. In other words the Jews are to touchy.
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03-22-2008, 04:41 PM
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More than one religious person has questioned my beleif in God simply because I don't go to church.
Should not other people be allowed to question the church?
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03-22-2008, 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by BabyFang
No, but Catholics are just doing what they think is right. We don't want them to believe something if it is not true, and Catholic believe that Jesus is the Messiah proclaimed in the Old Testament.
I don't think I'm better than the Jews. Jesus was a Jew. Cathalosisms comes from the Jews.
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catholicism doesnt come from the jews, the jews form part of the story that is at the foundation of christianity but they themselves do not believe in that story.
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