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03-29-2008, 11:49 PM
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Psalm 19:1 "The heavens declare the glory of God; And the firmament shows His handywork."
God proves His existence through his creation
Its clear that the universe was created by God. Evolution is such a joke, the notion that chance could form creatures that work as mega high tech bio machines that either side of which is a complete mirror reflection of the other half of their body. Don't run from the truth because the truth will still be the truth, God will judge everyone one day according to what they've done and just because it hasn't happened now doesn't mean it ain't coming.
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There is insurmountable evidence that evolution has occurred, and continues to occur. There is ZERO evidence that there is a god. Do you believe your god created all this evidence to deceive people? I just don't understand how someone could deny evolution with all of the evidence there is. I would suggest taking a few classes in evolution.
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03-30-2008, 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Santa_Claus
Psalm 19:1 "The heavens declare the glory of God; And the firmament shows His handywork."
God proves His existence through his creation
Its clear that the universe was created by God. Evolution is such a joke, the notion that chance could form creatures that work as mega high tech bio machines that either side of which is a complete mirror reflection of the other half of their body. Don't run from the truth because the truth will still be the truth, God will judge everyone one day according to what they've done and just because it hasn't happened now doesn't mean it ain't coming.
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oh well if a psalm says it than we have some solid proof right?
the last sentence is could have been said by karl popper, but also can be used against you: just because there's no proof of the inexistence of a god doesnt mean you're going to heaven.
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03-30-2008, 10:32 AM
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God is eternal..infinite. We as human beings don't have the ability to comprehend infinity. Plus, God created the laws of physics.
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Actually we can and do comprehend infinity. Some people may not be able to but many can and do.
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03-30-2008, 10:40 AM
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Psalm 19:1 "The heavens declare the glory of God; And the firmament shows His handywork."
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Last time I checked everyone agreed that Psalms was written by MEN. So what you have is an argument based upon the opinion of MEN.
We have solid evidence that a man (Henry Ford) created the Model T.
We have solid evidence that men wrote the Bible.
In both cases what was created was created by MAN.
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God proves His existence through his creation
Its clear that the universe was created by God.
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Clear as mud. Unfortunately we have physical evidence of the natural origin of the universe which does not rely on a supernatural power.
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Evolution is such a joke, the notion that chance could form creatures that work as mega high tech bio machines that either side of which is a complete mirror reflection of the other half of their body. Don't run from the truth because the truth will still be the truth, God will judge everyone one day according to what they've done and just because it hasn't happened now doesn't mean it ain't coming.
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The odds against 27 consecutive passes on a crap table are huge and yet it has happened and cannot be denied. We are the phyical evidence of evolution and, like consecutive passes on a crap table, it cannot be denied.
One cannot deny the possibility of that which has actually happened regardless of the odds.
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03-30-2008, 10:42 AM
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Actually we can and do comprehend infinity. Some people may not be able to but many can and do.
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Yeah... We use infinity all the time in calculus, and many other places.
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03-30-2008, 03:12 PM
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There is a God. Everything in our universe is in exact alignment to allow human life. There were so many other possibilities, that if one thing was different, we would not have life on this planet. Do you really think this was just some freaky conincidence? It is more likely that a God desined this perfect set of circumstances than it just popping up out of no where. Last time I checked man did not make earth. Man did not create the stars. Did all this happen from nothing?
God is not a continginet being like humans. He is a Necessary being, meaning He is self-exsisting. He needs no cause, He is the cause, the first cause.
Everything is in motion, everything. For it to be in motion, something must put it in motion. There must be a first mover. That is God.
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03-30-2008, 03:32 PM
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There is a God. Everything in our universe is in exact alignment to allow human life. There were so many other possibilities, that if one thing was different, we would not have life on this planet. Do you really think this was just some freaky conincidence? It is more likely that a God desined this perfect set of circumstances than it just popping up out of no where. Last time I checked man did not make earth. Man did not create the stars. Did all this happen from nothing?
God is not a continginet being like humans. He is a Necessary being, meaning He is self-exsisting. He needs no cause, He is the cause, the first cause.
Everything is in motion, everything. For it to be in motion, something must put it in motion. There must be a first mover. That is God.
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dinosaurs have lasted longer so far (sorry if their existence offends you). i'll bet they werent so arrogant about themselves.
i just cant reach the idea that if a god created us, why would he want to be honored all the time and should our recognition of him be of any importance? he sounds like a tyrant/king that demands submission, why model him in these earthly human charicteristics.
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03-30-2008, 03:38 PM
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There is a God. Everything in our universe is in exact alignment to allow human life. There were so many other possibilities, that if one thing was different, we would not have life on this planet.
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Statistical probability. Build enough planets around enough stars, and eventually one will be just the right distance. Enough planets at the right distance, and eventually one will have the right environmental circumstances. Earth is the inexorable result of probability.
We don't need a god to explain why earth is how it is, it was impossible for an earth like planet to not form in the universe given the number of planets and stars formed.
Man evolved to live on this planet. Being earth chauvinistic to close your mind to possibilities of intelligent life given different circumstances is a mistake. Earth is perfect for us, because we have evolved to live on earth.
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Do you really think this was just some freaky conincidence? It is more likely that a God desined this perfect set of circumstances than it just popping up out of no where. Last time I checked man did not make earth. Man did not create the stars. Did all this happen from nothing?
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There are well over a trillion stars in the known universe. We know AT LEAST 5% of those stars have planets if our current data is representative of the universe at large. Out of trillions of planets, it is not unlikely at all that there could be billions or trillions of other planets that have similar temperatures and atmospheres as earth.
If you're going into an argument of beginnings, your believe is severely flawed. Evidence suggests that the universe began with a monster explosion, which created matter as we know it. From here, natural cosmic evolution led to the formation of everything else. There is no evidence for a god, nor is there any reason one is necessary.
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God is not a continginet being like humans. He is a Necessary being, meaning He is self-exsisting. He needs no cause, He is the cause, the first cause.
Everything is in motion, everything. For it to be in motion, something must put it in motion. There must be a first mover. That is God.
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Evidence? Again there is no reason that there need be a god here either. Science has shown that everything that has occurred has occurred by natural means. If you're arguing that the god was the mover that created the big bang, then what was the creator of your god?
As there is no evidence of a god, claiming one be necessary is a foolish extraction.
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03-30-2008, 03:42 PM
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dinosaurs have lasted longer so far (sorry if their existence offends you). i'll bet they werent so arrogant about themselves.
i just cant reach the idea that if a god created us, why would he want to be honored all the time and should our recognition of him be of any importance? he sounds like a tyrant/king that demands submission, why model him in these earthly human charicteristics.
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"So God created man in his own image" Perhaps the most laughable text found in the entire bible. Not only is this god all powerful, but he looks just like us!!!!!
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03-30-2008, 04:15 PM
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If we do believe in the Big Bang. then what caused the big bang? God. If the odds were that good for an earth like planet to form in the trillions of stars and planets already formed, why is there just one, only one that contains life? Because it was deliberatley made, if conditions were slightly, just slightly different, we would not be possible. Evolution from one spieces to another has not been proven, you are wrong in that. There is no evidence that one spieces can evolve into a completly new spicies, only that a spicies can evolve within its own spicies to contain better suvival aspects. Microevolution is possible and is easily seen, but this macroevolution that you speek of has never be proven, has never happened. There is no evidence of this kind of evolution. Matter cannot be created nor destroyed. So some big bang just created matter from nothing? Not possible. Science has shown that, unless you are talking about a God banging matter into exsistence, then it could be possiblke.
I laugh at your Big Bang theory and your belief in an evolution that has no evidence. What but a god could create matter, or create the big bang? All the laws of the natural world, where could they have been made but in a realm where true concepts were formed, by true knowledge. Science supports the belief of a God, if it were just randomness that formed us, why is the world not random. It is cleverly constructed with laws that cannot be changed, this is not randomness then is it? Laws of physics, nature, matter, thses things are not random, but purposfully designed. How then can you still claim that earth is randomlly formed, when there is nothing random about it's structure.
There is a God, the eveidence is there.
Who said God is a king/tyrant? All i'm saying is that there is a God, nothing more, nothing less.
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