90% of the world believing is not a problem, but religion entering the realm of politics is. religion is not the same as believing in god. you can deny religious views and still believe in a god i think.
a misconception is to think that religion created morals, i think the codification of morals in the bible has played a big role in history, but morals exist within people regardless of being religious; it is the empathic ability that everyone posesses.

2: but moral has to come from people themselves rather than to be dictated from above, religion is not the only institution that produces a moral consciousness.

Religion has absolutely nothing to do with morality. The tenants you refer to in the Bible existed well before the Bible was written by men. And what do you say to a religion which teaches that its okay if you raped or murdered someone because "god" will forgive you for your sins?

Like most you combine religion with morality. I can say the world would be better off not believing in god but instead simply living by a moral set of guidelines. As noted, the two are not related.

wheres your proof for that you sound like bruno bauer


Once your mind is made up not to believe then you wont believe. The earth and the universe is enough substantial evidence that one needs. It is clear that there is a creating force behind the making of the universe and earth this is God . You choose to reject that

This is so amazing how so many of you guys sound just like bruno bauer, however religion and politics go hand and hand. Islam in spain for over 900 years till the crusades and the country was just fine.

only if those religious views are against God.


the empathic ability that everone posses is natural human nature we dont directly posses morals, morals are taught from studing nature.

The reason Chesty that Atheists and those who have no religion seem not to go out and do what ever they want is because we have but one life to live.
Morals doesnt come from religion, if it did than you have to explain all the bad that came from religion as well.
We can't do what ever we want because of this one life. if we do than we just wasted it. Now i dont speak for everyone, because there are surely people on both sides of the spectrum who do waste this only life they have.
But not believing in god/religion does not lead to total anarchy.

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"For every man there is a purpose he sets up in his life, let yours be the doing of all good deeds." - Qur'an
Give every man your ear, but few thy voice. Take each man's censure, but reserve thy judgment.[Hamlet] -Shakespeare, William
Where there is doubt, there is freedom -Latin Proverb

Religion and Politics? No. Religion control the middle east. Its what has led to generations of genocides by seperate religious fanatics. Our constitution says no reliigion will be sponsored by this gov't.
Believe what you want, but they don't go hand in hand, it just gives them more power to do what they will and 'fuck' with everyone they disagree with.

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"For every man there is a purpose he sets up in his life, let yours be the doing of all good deeds." - Qur'an
Give every man your ear, but few thy voice. Take each man's censure, but reserve thy judgment.[Hamlet] -Shakespeare, William
Where there is doubt, there is freedom -Latin Proverb

Just curious: how does the "God bless America" slogan fits into that statement?

Martin, that statement is uttered by a lot of people in America, including the religious right of poiltics. They do not represent what this country stands for though and as far as im concerned, we shouldnt have that slogan.

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"For every man there is a purpose he sets up in his life, let yours be the doing of all good deeds." - Qur'an
Give every man your ear, but few thy voice. Take each man's censure, but reserve thy judgment.[Hamlet] -Shakespeare, William
Where there is doubt, there is freedom -Latin Proverb

IF religion and politics dont go hand and hand then why judges , presidents, governors, and congressmen, all swear on either a BIBLE or a QURAN. And our money yup it says in GOD WE TRUST. Also what led to genocides was colonism of the middle east. This country of USA was founded on religious principles, what do you say at the end of your oath?? SO HELP ME GOD Also if you didnt know the constitution is set up to be demolished if another constitution can take its place this leaves opening for religious constitution!

funny how you forget to mention the struggle for the seperation of church and state that dured hundreds of years. i wouldnt narrow it down to bruno bauer.
and islam in spain is often being glorified, but it is not undisputed how peacefull society was at the time.

no-one is to decide what view is against god but you yourself.

morals are rules that result from the empathic ability of man. but you can feel sympathy without studying nature.

I can tell you one thing for sure. I didnt say So Help Me God at the end of my Oath.
Our founding fathers may or may not have believed in god or the Judeo-Christian god. we can never really know what someone 300 years ago really believed, especially when in those times you didnt specifically say god didnt exist. they stoned people just for believing in Satan.
If this country was founded on religious beliefs, than why did we exclude a recognized religion for our country. when this country was founded, it was not religious. Ourr founding fathers themselves made sure that this country was not religious. The Treaty of Tripoli made mention that this is not a Christian Nation. Forgive me for not knowing the president which said that, but the pres did say that.
The tree of liberty must be refreshed with the blood of tyrants and patriots from time to time. Yes, i know the constitution is set up to be destroyed if its necessary. but that doesnt necessarily mean it will be a religious constitution to take its place.
In the 1950s and the Red Scare we added in God We Trust to our money, not before. We changed our pledge of Allegiance to Under God. because of the Soviet threat and the fact many people believed them to all be Atheist our country became more religious. but this country was not founded on a specific religion.
I will be glad to continue this, with some actual quotes from our founding fathers later but at the moment, i'm somewhat busy. I'm trying to set up my Xbox Live account.

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"For every man there is a purpose he sets up in his life, let yours be the doing of all good deeds." - Qur'an
Give every man your ear, but few thy voice. Take each man's censure, but reserve thy judgment.[Hamlet] -Shakespeare, William
Where there is doubt, there is freedom -Latin Proverb