What if the Universe isn't the only universe in existence? M-Theory postulates that this is just one of an infinity of membrane universes floating in a soupy 11-dimensional multiverse. Basically, the universe had a beginning, but matter, energy and space-time didn't.

I don`t think that it is defiant at all to claim that the universe has always existed (even though I would not claim that it did either because I don`t know) or that it is against the laws of physics since such laws state that matter and energy cannot be created nor destroyed. I do not however ascribe to the belief that a deity created it either as there is no evidence for this, and the laws of physics say it is impossible, since nothing can be created or destroyed.

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"Faith: Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel."
-Ambrose Bierce
A man without religion is like a fish without a bicycle. - Vique
If there is a God...I think most reasonable people might agree that he's at least incompetent and maybe, just maybe, doesn't give a shit..." -George Carlin

The universe hasn't always existed, though. If it had, we wouldn't be alive.

I wonder what your logic is for such a statement.

As for the subject of this thread it would be stupid to claim that god did or did not exist. Both claims are equally invalid for the same reasons. At best we could claim that the existance or non-existance of god(s) has never been determined. At best we have people that have claimed that god exists which is no different that someone claiming that the tooth fairy exists. It doesn't mean that the tooth fairy doesn't exist though only that no objective evidence exists to support such a claim.

So out of all the thousands of gods in all of the universe we're discussing the Christian Lutheran god or what?

I'm confused by the first article. "Nothing just happens, it must have a cause."
Why is god here then? There has to be a cause that made him come into being.
And then the thing causing him come into being has to be caused by something.
And it has to be caused by somthing.
And then that has to be caused.
And another cause had to be made to make it.......

lol, i just think my mind curved inwards to oblivion.

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One thing is certain and that is that the "God of Abraham" was invented by man. There may be a god or gods but one thing is certain and that is that god has not visited the Earth and doesn't give a damn about any lowly lifeforms in the universe.

One thing is often ignored in this debate, and that is that the burden of proof lies on those who claim something/one exists. Christians , Muslims,Jews nor Hindus ora ny other religion have ever proved the existence of god(s) They have even failed to provide any substantial evidence whatsoever that s/he exists. So I think that it is wise to be skeptical until evidence is shown, and I choose to assume that there are no gods until it can be proven.

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"Faith: Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel."
-Ambrose Bierce
A man without religion is like a fish without a bicycle. - Vique
If there is a God...I think most reasonable people might agree that he's at least incompetent and maybe, just maybe, doesn't give a shit..." -George Carlin

Could you please explain your reasoning behind that a little more? I am afraid I do not follow you.

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"Faith: Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel."
-Ambrose Bierce
A man without religion is like a fish without a bicycle. - Vique
If there is a God...I think most reasonable people might agree that he's at least incompetent and maybe, just maybe, doesn't give a shit..." -George Carlin

Doesn"t the word universe denote , uh....the exisistence of everything?? So how could there be many existences of everything? wouldn't that be like saying "more perfect"? *head explodes* lol

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"Faith: Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel."
-Ambrose Bierce
A man without religion is like a fish without a bicycle. - Vique
If there is a God...I think most reasonable people might agree that he's at least incompetent and maybe, just maybe, doesn't give a shit..." -George Carlin

I personally believe in God. I am going to play devils advocate for a second and try to give everyone a different perspective for a moment. Even if there is truly no God out there ,is the fact that 90% of the worlds populace believe in a God in one form or another such a bad thing?

I am not going to waste time doing the research for you but ask yourself these questions. 1; What would the world be like without the basic tenants in the bible (Thou shalt not murder, love thy neighbor etc)? Here is a simple answer absolute anarchy if there was absolute proof that no higher power existed and 90% of us believed in that proof this world would be a hell hole to live. A life with no after life, means do what ever you want, there are no consequences...You feel like raping that woman because shes hot in a mini skirt go for it, you want to murder that guy for his Rolex,hey why not you only live once right.....

2: who can honestly say the world is not better having 90% of its people believing in God and following a moral set of guidelines which is laid out in almost every religion?

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