You said that lies are created with love. I ask god to help me find the way, and I find nothing.

I said its love to expose lies.
Just keep searching. I didn't find it all over night.

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Ah to expose.
Yes I haven't been searching exactly or really not for very long. for I haven't been alive for very long. What exactly do you mean by searching? How did you search?

Meanwhile Armour-Dinner-Jacket and his pal the 12th Imam blow up the world...

Religion is as religion does?

How the hell does this address the quote above? "Armour Dinner Jacket?" The 12th Imam? First of all, what the hell do you mean, "armour-dinner jacket?" secondly, that still doesn't address the truth that it's stupid to claim that "God's existence" or the existence of multiple gods is "fact," as well as that "God's non-existence" and the non-existence of multiple gods is "fact." There is and can be no evidence that will ever actually prove said theories. Only suggestive bits and pieces that are infinitesimal in significance on the scale of actually coming to any sort of conclusion on the matter. You can't prove God exists and you can't prove he does exist. You can't prove theism and you can't disprove it. What people can do is waste a whole hell of a lot of time ranting about it--and I believe that's what the point of Ice's post was.

On a sidenote, theists believe what they believe because they choose to, not because of "blind ignorance" or any of the other foolish labels I've seen so many anti-theists slap on them. They don't need "proof" or "evidence" to believe what they do, it gives them what they see as a more intricate purpose to life--moral guidance to some, an ultimate goal for others, a universal (in some ways)--yet individual in others--set of beliefs for those who choose to follow it. It's not what so many make it out to be.

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"What worries you, masters you."
-John Locke

Call me ignorant.....There is no “God”, and there will never be a "God". "God" was made up to control people and because man can't explain things. Just because I had a beginning doesn't mean everything needs a beginning. Atoms aren't living there for they don't need a beginning. They are elements which have not nucleus. We are people we have trillions on nucleuses, we can't base our facts off what we think is true. If there is a “God” dam right it doesn't care about you more then every other living thing. If there is a “God" who said it's some form of being that speaks or sees or creates things. Really people, your basis of reasoning sounds like a fairy tale.

Sorry I just find this really an ignorant subject. But I don’t need to study through my whole life like the past has to figure this out. Reason with your mind and come to a conclusion that you find this really shallow and unpredictable.

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Ah the God arguement......

Why is it so important that those who believe in god or God, whichever you prefer, need so desprately for all others to believe the same. And in many cases its not just the belief in god but a particular belief in god (usually the one the person making the argument subscribes to). Is it the profound lack of evadence that creates an insecurity. Hoping the more people who believe the more real the god becomes. I dont mind those who have a belief in a god. If there is benefit there then I say great. However, as in the case of a Jehovas Witness friend of mine, when that belief runs in complete contrast to ones behaviors and creates internal struggle and turmoil then I say its time to inventory why this is so important and is this really nessesary. I find that often people are afraid to not believe in god for fear of what that means or what others may think. More often than not those who believe are doing so because they were raised that way and have never stopped to consider if they really feel the connection with this belief. I see alot of dogma with people. Simply doing things for an unknown reason other than that was what they were told to do. I really am for a god centered life for those who choose it but only after careful soul searching as to the reason they do believe and more importantly how will it positivly impact their life.

I personally abandoned the belief in god about 4 years ago. It was a careful thought out decision not made in anger or hast but after a real thorough assesment of what I have expierenced, believed and needed. It took several months for the feeling that I was doing something wrong to go away but after a while it did and I can honestly say that I am better off for it. I look at my life in a very responsible way. Knowing that I hold the responsibility for it. Both good and bad. I feel as though a have gone to a new level of existence recognizing that I and I alone have the power to change or to stay stagnate or even regress. Its quite empowering.

As for the god question I no longer need to ask. It dosn't concern me. Im more interested in how I will direct my life next and how I can positivly impact the world.

Go in peace my brothers and sistes. In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost. A-freakin-men!!

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Hey you! Yes you. Had enough yet?.................How about now?

In other threads you ask that people present evidence to back up their arguments or else you reject the argument. Why do you apply a different standard to this issue? The burden of proof lies with those claiming that a god exists, and they have none, so the logical conclusion is not to believe in a god.

This debate has a simple answer. To maintain our sanity we need fantasy. When there is no hope we make hope. Because of minds are so fragile we make the world however we will with it.

Using this theory I have "morphed" my surrounding in my mind but in the end nothing really changed.

If the Christian God is true, he's a narcissistic, domineering, psychopath, who is no better than the bibles devil. Who is an ambition prone coward

If there is no God, then that is the most hopeless thing to wish/believe. That’s why most people would never even think that it’s possible.