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04-23-2008, 11:38 AM
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No and I probably shouldn't. Skeptics always take scripture out of context.
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how would you know if you "pobably shouldn't read it,I hope it is not because your faith is so "thin" it may be ruptured by a factual read 
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04-23-2008, 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Santa_Claus
Its makes no sense whatsoever to claim there is no God. Infact, I think its stupid to claim there is no God, the only debate is whether or not the God of the Bible is true.
Heres some pretty amazing facts about the universe which make it not only evident but obvious that God exists, be sure to click continue at the bottom because theres still more pages:
Does God Exist?
Also check out Pascal's Wager:
Pascal's Wager - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Actually it's not stupid to claim there is no god.
You appear to want to convince me that there is one.
The onus on you therefore, is to provide suitable and sufficient evidence to convince me.
There is no onus on me to prove otherwise.
Just as I can accept the possibility that the universe might have appeared spontaneously from nothing, I can accept the possibility that there is a god.
I see no reason why god cannot exist, I just happen to believe otherwise.
I have seen no evidence to support your position.
All religious writings appear to attempts at mass manipulation. Attempts to control large numbers of people, through fear of the unknown and unknowable.
In my view, if god existed it would be apparent to everybody, everywhere, all the time.
Priests and their ilk would not be required to interpret anything.
Not that any of this will convince you.
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04-23-2008, 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Taffd
Actually it's not stupid to claim there is no god.
You appear to want to convince me that there is one.
The onus on you therefore, is to provide suitable and sufficient evidence to convince me.
There is no onus on me to prove otherwise.
Just as I can accept the possibility that the universe might have appeared spontaneously from nothing, I can accept the possibility that there is a god.
I see no reason why god cannot exist, I just happen to believe otherwise.
I have seen no evidence to support your position.
All religious writings appear to attempts at mass manipulation. Attempts to control large numbers of people, through fear of the unknown and unknowable.
In my view, if god existed it would be apparent to everybody, everywhere, all the time.
Priests and their ilk would not be required to interpret anything.
Not that any of this will convince you.
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You have a point, but I do not agree.
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04-24-2008, 06:02 PM
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Knight
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Originally Posted by Taffd
Actually it's not stupid to claim there is no god.
You appear to want to convince me that there is one.
The onus on you therefore, is to provide suitable and sufficient evidence to convince me.
There is no onus on me to prove otherwise.
Just as I can accept the possibility that the universe might have appeared spontaneously from nothing, I can accept the possibility that there is a god.
I see no reason why god cannot exist, I just happen to believe otherwise.
I have seen no evidence to support your position.
All religious writings appear to attempts at mass manipulation. Attempts to control large numbers of people, through fear of the unknown and unknowable.
In my view, if god existed it would be apparent to everybody, everywhere, all the time.
Priests and their ilk would not be required to interpret anything.
Not that any of this will convince you.
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If you seek God, he will reveal himself in a very real way.
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"Good intentions are a noble thing, but you have to look at the end result to see if those intentions are well placed."
-- LessGovMrPrez
"I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have."
-- Thomas Jefferson
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04-24-2008, 06:24 PM
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Knight
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Originally Posted by Santa_Claus
If you seek God, he will reveal himself in a very real way.
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Has he done so to you?
You act as a strong believer but strong believers in god should not hold such strong hatred to the catholic church or anything as strong as that, accusing them of being the anti-Christ.
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04-24-2008, 06:32 PM
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Knight
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Originally Posted by Change
Has he done so to you?
You act as a strong believer but strong believers in god should not hold such strong hatred to the catholic church or anything as strong as that, accusing them of being the anti-Christ.
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Yes indeed he has.
I don't 'hate Catholics.' I feel bad for them that they are trapped in this damning lie and that is why I'm trying to expose it.
Ephesians 5:11 "And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them."
I have many Catholic friends and I know when I tell them the truth, even though they might not show it, it left an impression. The Bible says we set seeds in people when we preach the truth of the gospel and the Holy Spirit works in them to show them the truth.
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"Good intentions are a noble thing, but you have to look at the end result to see if those intentions are well placed."
-- LessGovMrPrez
"I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have."
-- Thomas Jefferson
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04-24-2008, 06:51 PM
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Knight
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Originally Posted by Santa_Claus
Yes indeed he has.
I don't 'hate Catholics.' I feel bad for them that they are trapped in this damning lie and that is why I'm trying to expose it.
Ephesians 5:11 "And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them."
I have many Catholic friends and I know when I tell them the truth, even though they might not show it, it left an impression. The Bible says we set seeds in people when we preach the truth of the gospel and the Holy Spirit works in them to show them the truth.
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And that is hate. Lie is the worst thing you can live and accusing many of living by it is hate. The catholic church is not the unfruitful work of darkness nor the gates of hell nor is the pope the anti-christ. There is to types of truth, a truth or fact or a truth or what one to believe is true. Religion is what one believes to be true.
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04-24-2008, 06:59 PM
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Knight
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Originally Posted by Change
And that is hate. Lie is the worst thing you can live and accusing many of living by it is hate. The catholic church is not the unfruitful work of darkness nor the gates of hell nor is the pope the anti-christ. There is to types of truth, a truth or fact or a truth or what one to believe is true. Religion is what one believes to be true.
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No its love to expose lies. Saying the pope is not the anti-christ does not make it so. I won't argue further on this. I preached what I know to be true because of what God has shown me. The rest is up to you.
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"Good intentions are a noble thing, but you have to look at the end result to see if those intentions are well placed."
-- LessGovMrPrez
"I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have."
-- Thomas Jefferson
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04-24-2008, 07:09 PM
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Knight
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Originally Posted by Santa_Claus
No its love to expose lies. Saying the pope is not the anti-christ does not make it so. I won't argue further on this. I preached what I know to be true because of what God has shown me. The rest is up to you.
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I do not believe that god has showed you. Are you now saying that lies are good?
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04-24-2008, 07:11 PM
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Knight
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Originally Posted by Change
I do not believe that god has showed you.
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You could always ask God to help you find the truth and choose to accept it when he shows it to you.
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Are you now saying that lies are good?
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I didn't say that did I?
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"Good intentions are a noble thing, but you have to look at the end result to see if those intentions are well placed."
-- LessGovMrPrez
"I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have."
-- Thomas Jefferson
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