Chesty Puller, one hell of a Marine.
Ever heard of circular reasoning Chesty?
Using one thing to prove its existance, such as using supposed proofs of god to prove god.
Saying that there are hundreds of websites that prove god and saying they all can't be wrong is circular logic. now, lets talk about these websites Chesty, please. that has no credibility to begin with. anyone can create a website. I could list the thousands of sites that prove the Flying Spagetti Monster and than say not all of those can be wrong, so in conclusion, said monster exists.
Circular logic doesnt prove anything and you jumping to conclusions doesnt help your argument.

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A million Christians who have not studied the beginnings of life with a analysts approach doesn't mean anything, there are also a few million people who think the sun revolves around the earth. One does not have to prove there is no god to prove evolution occurred. I don't have faith in anything that cannot be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. The fact of evolution has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Any doubts about the fact that it occurred now, are illogical delusions to hold onto the orthodox teachings of a 2,000 year old faith. No Evolution does not disprove a deity (you can't prove a negative), but it does show that the bible is wrong, or that it is allegorical at best, and is not a reliable source of information.

You still have hopes that others will blindly accept a belief structure based on no reason, and that they will reject the cold hard facts? Anyone who denies the cold hard facts that prove evolution, but accepts the existence of a deity without any evidence are being completely illogical. It's a double standard, either one has faith in things without evidence, or one is a skeptic and needs proof first. To have faith in the unproven, then deny the proven is insanity.

This whole debate is EXACTLY like the debate a few hundred years ago about our place in the universe. The Church orthodoxy held that the earth was the center of the universe. Scientific observation showed this to be untrue, but the churches held onto it. Finally they could not ignore the evidence anymore, and admitted to being wrong (A few hundred years later), and that our solar system is Heliocentric. The fact that evolution is how life came to be, like how we revolve around the sun, is insurmountable. We still have people our there who deny the evidence, because they want to hold onto their belief structure. Eventually the Churches will give up, and accept the truth into their orthodoxy and say all the creationist stuff in the bible is allegorical. Many Christians have already done so.

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i already proved the the spaghetti monster exists using the logic from the web site, and so far no 1 has disputed my claims.

Your exactly right Future Leader. My apologizes for being so ignorant of the times. lol.

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"For every man there is a purpose he sets up in his life, let yours be the doing of all good deeds." - Qur'an
Give every man your ear, but few thy voice. Take each man's censure, but reserve thy judgment.[Hamlet] -Shakespeare, William
Where there is doubt, there is freedom -Latin Proverb

It is stupid to claim there is a god. It is stupid to claim there isn't a god. Stop jumping to conclusions based on speculation. People are in such a rush to find the "truth" they don't bother to look at the facts. That fact is, you can't know, at least not now.

Alright maybe they didn't give any money or send soldiers, but not saying anything about massmurdering and war when you are the head of the largest religion on Earth seems a bit weird... Apparently Ireland and Spain with their strong catholic populations took this as a sign that there was no reason to fight... "Evil prevails because good men fail to act"... And as far as i know it wasn't until 1990 the Pope gave an official apology to the Jews... Which actually says that something apparently was done wrong... If not why apologize?

ps: At the it was considered collaborating when being neutral... I'm a dane... I should know... Britain invaded some of our northern islands and i'm sure the US would have taken Greenland had it not been for the minister asking forprotection against german subs...

No it doesn't hold true for everybody... By the way if you've watched Jesus Camp tell me: did you like it? was it too forward and direct? should they have shown some christian intellectuals from the camps instead of some housewife?

Well, my first answer was to "Who can say that the world isn't a better place with religion?" or something like that... So Christian or no Christian, it's some gods will...

Well said...

Ok... Just saying that Newtons and others theories are all around us while witchburnings are nearly gone = Some religious rules and regulations apparently doesn't have any use in our modern times

Yep, thought we were discussing religion, but we can turn this discussion to christianity... And good lord am i glad to hear you believe somewhat in the selective process of nature...

Now i'm a firm believer when it comes to evolution... To me it's the shining path of salvation... The holy light that'll lead us to godhood... But since i feel that you're deadset on this, i'm not gonna try and sway you...

Yep.

No biggy


By the way i just need to say that i don't believe this is an easy topic to debate... Religions like buddhism and fundamentalism is so much easier to break down... You know: "If we are reincarnated then why does the population keep rising?" and "Who did Kain and Abel marry?"...

You seem like a liberal christian and thery're almost impossible to counter (millions try every day)...

Well, once again RESPECT FOR VALID POINTS AND SOURCES...

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Something that has been excluded here, or maybe spoken of 9 pages ago, is faith. For one to understand that God exists one must have faith. I know you resident atheists are going to jump all over that because you have no faith. You declare that those of us who do have faith are weak. Or God is some sort of compilation of beliefs, etc. You believe what you want to believe.

Faith, you must understand is not science. It can't be explained by science nor can it be explained away by science. Faith exists outside the realm of science. God exists outside the realm of science. Oh sure you can explain parts of creation through science but not all aspects.

There are alternate views to evolution and the big bang. That is not what this is all about. It is about the very existence of God. Having been through the many trials that I have been through and many others who have had it much worse than me, it has been my faith in God that has brought me through it. Call it a crutch if you want. You do not understand what faith truly is.

oh, i have faith alright, i have faith indeedy. i have faith that man is what created man, the logic we were born with (not given) has created the world we live in today. not some daddy figuer saying "be good or burn" though that phrase is what made religion so popular in the old days.

but you see, god didnt bring you through those trials, maybe the thought of god kept you up, but you are what kept you up, god has nothing to do with it.

i like the quote by stalin (read down below)

to resident athiest: only god can except your apology, wait he doesnt exist lol, so yeah i forgive you.

really my theologian friends, cant yall accept that ya might be wrong? many of gods so called "miracles" witch your faioth is based on has been proven scientificly, like the exodous, i saw a show recenlty called "exodous decoded" that pretty much explanied how it all may have happened (look for it on good or you tube).

and mrnumbersman i guess i dont understand you type of faith, because i see no reason to have the faith to believe in god, there has been no proof what so ever that i need, should, or have to believe in god other then "ye shall perish with out the belssings of god blah blah blah" and thats not really convincing seeing how i keep hearing from all the jesus freaks "god loves you he forgives all" and if that be the case thar be no reason to believe in him cause he will forgive and let me through the gates any ways (assuming he exists). your type of faith relies on your preist (or what ever holy man tells you what to believe) to tell you the "nature of god" even tho christians constantly tout "god works in mysterios ways" well how the hell can people tout the nature of god if they dont even know how he works. and another thing about the hypocracy of religios people, why do so many fanatics hate gay people? they say god created every 1 and every thing, well maybe god made gay people? and i see all these rallies with signs "god hates gays" "sodomy is a sin","blah blah blah i have nothing better to do with my time" well ya know what? if god is so god dam omnipotent and so all god dam forgiving not only would he know that gay people would populate the earth he would also forgive them. and hell, maybe they dont need to have forgivness because god might actualy be a big fruit himself. people dont know jack shit about god or what he wants and yet morons still listen to preachers who just use his name for profit, now how am i supose to believe in a god that every tellls me about when all they are doing is blowing steam out of thier asses?

so instead of looking like a jackass and saying that i know what god wants or inacting his will im gonna stick with facts over faith.

Trust me this debate for me Is over I think Im starting to question my own faith in the face of all of this adversity and logical discussion. I am beginning to wonder if I am the worlds biggest fool.

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When I think of all the 'Christian Cults' which exist and those which have caused anguish and loss of life, and all the 'Christian' wars which have been fought in the name of God, I believe less and less in any religion.
To those who have faith in any God, I think it is wrong to try to remove that faith which can and does sustain some folk.
For myself, My faith is in my own ability to survive sorrow and trouble and lead a good life.
If there was a Jesus, I am sure he meant Christianity to be a way of life, not a religion.