Nash

one only has to lookat the rennesance when we came out of the dark ages. It was the religion of Islam that helped jump start the world back into the studing an seeking of knowledge

The Lying Dutchman

'islam' didnt incorporate aristotalean ideas in its worldviews, arab scolars preserved the documents.

Nash

Well what would happen if the "MUSLIM" scholars burned the documents?? And every knowledgeable historian give credit to Islam for bringing the world out of the dark ages

The Lying Dutchman

i really have no idea what you try to say here

Parisyann

Yeah I am not sure we can relate the Renaissance to any religion, was it Islam. I believe The Lying Dutchman is right when he speaks of Arab scholars instead of "Islam scholars".

When I look at paintings from that period I don't think they are religious at all: e.g. "The Toilet of Venus" by Velazquez (The National Gallery, London). It seems to me the Renaissance was only possible because people in Europe were freeing themselves from religious dogmas.

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colourislast

Could you back this point up? As far as I have studied, Islam oppressed art and science as a result. Medicine was nearly unstudied because of the ban on depictions of the human form and being sacreligious to touch the dead or preform surgery. I do agree that Arabs did advance the concept of zero and university, but not Islam.

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Nash

it was the Muslims who led the world out of the dark ages with the religion of Islam. Islam promotes studing nature, science,philosophy, all which came out during the renaissance schools were opened and all that read up on it you will see what i say is correct.

The arab scholars were muslim who studied ISLAM, and in studing the Quran they were able to go more into depth brining the world out of the dark ages.


Why do you deny the fact that the Muslims brought the world out of the dark ages?? not the europeans


not true look at the art work comming out back then uhh caligraphy??

What the hell are you talking about ??? look at pictures of the human body from back then, please study the reniasance, and about the touching the dead body please stop looking at movies like the kingdom

What the religion of Islam teaches to study and seek knowledge, and donot keep it secret hence the reniasance,so the studing of Islam helped the Muslims to help the world come out of the dark ages

TokenLiberal

It wasn't just the Islamic scholars, it was a whole myriad of things. They were one of the contributing factors, but so was the Catholic Church, which sponsored good chunks (possibly the majourity, though I'm not sure) of Renaissance art, and many other groups religious and non-religious.


Islam doesn't directly incorporate Aristotelean ideas, but many of the most famous Islamic scholars and philosophers (Averroes, Avicenna, etc.) were extremely influenced by Aristotle, which the West was focused mostly on Plato.

Actually, Irish monks preserved many classical works too. They were co-introduced into Europe in Spain by the Muslims and elsewhere by Irish monks. Muslims didn't singlehandedly bring Europe out of the Dark Ages (nobody did), but their influence was certainly a part of it.

There's definitely a lot of classical influence, but a very large Catholic presence, too. Most of the majour paintings of Da Vinci, Michelangelo, Raphael, etc. were Catholic-themed and funded by the Catholic Church (and the Medici's!).

There were actually a lot of great Muslim artists and scientists. Omar Khayyam, Avicenna, the Sufi poets (Rumi, etc) come to mind just off the top of my memory. The best doctors during the Middle Ages and Renaissance were typically Muslims; they were, in fact, the best doctors since the fall of Rome and made the most medical advancements between Rome and the European doctors.

Nash

I agree but the Muslims were the leaders in the renaissance, your second statment about the catholic church is wrong they helped to plunge the world into the dark ages. And i think your getting confused of the renaissance im not talking about art.



Islam incorporates Quranic ideas, and in doing so it reconises other worldly advances and sees them as a study to benifit humanity so anything to benifit humanity is to be studied. It would be against Islam to reject good knowledge.The west was still in lost and the rise of ISLAM brought them out.



Muslims were the only ones who started it and others joined, Christains and Jews came to study in Mulim liabrarys, Spain was under Muslim rule for 900 years in peace until europe tried the same shit that they did before trying to put the world back into the dark ages with the crusades, they did not like that Islam was opening up information to everone , Europe wanted that to be kept secret.


The chtholic church stole designs of making churches from the arabs, look at masjids and minirates then look at catholic churches. And how long ago was davinci born?




What i dont understand is how one can say or ask is how has religion beefited humanity when clearly Islam is all about humanity advancing forward.

panteth4h2o

My opinion is that religion has benefitted society. I've heard on the radio that recent studies have supposedly shown that church goers live more healthy lives, in terms of stress and the effects it can have on the body.

What has sometimes happened in organized religion has also happened in other aspects of society. People seem to find differences in other groups of people and hate them for it, whether it is race, religion, culture, ideology, etc.

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