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03-11-2008, 07:21 AM
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Can anarchism work?
Anarchism (aka no government) is in my opinion the best solution to government oppression and domination. In anarchism there are no countries or states which rule and oppress people. But in order for anarchism to work all the world needs to live within an anarchist system.
Unlike many observers of history, anarchists see a common thread behind most of mankind's problems: the state. In the 20th-century alone, states have murdered well over 100,000,000 human beings, whether in war, concentration camps, or man-made famine. And this is merely a continuation of a seemingly endless historical pattern: almost from the beginning of recorded history, governments have existed. Once they arose, they allowed a ruling class to live off the labor of the mass of ordinary people; and these ruling classes have generally used their ill-gotten gains to build armies and wage war to extend their sphere of influence. At the same time, governments have always suppressed unpopular minorities, dissent, and the efforts of geniuses and innovators to raise humanity to new intellectual, moral, cultural, and economic heights. By transferring surplus wealth from producers to the state's ruling elite, the state has often strangled any incentive for long-run economic growth and thus stifled humanity's ascent from poverty; and at the same time the state has always used that surplus wealth to cement its power.
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03-11-2008, 07:27 AM
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anarchism cant 'work', systems work anarchism is just the non-existence of any form of government.
it will not better in terms of oppression, there will always be people struggling for a dominant position in order to survive, human nature
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03-11-2008, 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by The Lying Dutchman
anarchism cant 'work', systems work anarchism is just the non-existence of any form of government.
it will not better in terms of oppression, there will always be people struggling for a dominant position in order to survive, human nature
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If humans are inherently evil and always seek to dominate, oppress and control others anarchism could not work until humanity evolves.
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03-11-2008, 07:51 AM
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If humans are inherently evil and always seek to dominate, oppress and control others anarchism could not work until humanity evolves.
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it is nature of man. calling it evil is not a qualification that is constructive, thats a judgement. i doubt evolution will ban the most basic drive of man.
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03-11-2008, 07:54 AM
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it is nature of man. calling it evil is not a qualification that is constructive, thats a judgement. i doubt evolution will ban the most basic drive of man.
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So are you saying that humans like to dominate and oppress others if it secures their survival?
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03-11-2008, 07:57 AM
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it is a consequence of self-preservation. we make allies to better protect our own asses and try to dominate in order not to get dominated and loose our freedoms and lives.
humans dont 'like' dominating (though they could come to..), but it is their own best interest
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03-11-2008, 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by The Lying Dutchman
it is a consequence of self-preservation. we make allies to better protect our own asses and try to dominate in order not to get dominated and loose our freedoms and lives.
humans dont 'like' dominating (though they could come to..), but it is their own best interest
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So anarchism could not work?
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03-11-2008, 08:42 AM
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Anarchism is my favorite political philosophy to study (even as it spills over into economic realm, such as theories like Agorism, for instance). Some years ago I felt myself bordering on the ideology.
However, having said that, I feel it is unworkable with the current state of man.
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03-11-2008, 08:53 AM
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However, having said that, I feel it is unworkable with the current state of man.
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But why not?
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03-11-2008, 09:41 AM
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Political philosophy student here:
Keep in mind that there are many flavours of anarchism, too. Look it up on Wikipedia if you don't know about many of the different one.
I have to agree with contract theorists that an anarchistic society would eventually turn into a state (Robert Nozick argues this extensively in his book Anarchy, State, and Utopia). His "Minarchism"--basically, an ultra-libertarian nightwatchman state government--is feasible, and the closest we could come to anarchy.
Of course, the overarching question is whether or not we'd be better off. I used to veer strongly in the other direction, toward a more powerful state, but as time goes on and I reflect more (funny enough, I've become a bit more conservative, though still on the liberal end of the spectrum  ), the allure of a less interfering state becomes more attractive.
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