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Old 03-09-2008, 01:37 AM
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And I've known for 3 years now that evolution is lies but only had the guts to tell a small few but now I'm going to let everyone I know, know that its all lies with no scientific basis. Read all the evidence and decide for yourself. I post this because I want the truth to get out and don't want any of you to go to Hell. Jesus died on the cross to give us the gift of eternal life so you would not have to go to Hell. Thats not something to take lightly. And if you go to Hell, you do so by our own choice. God gave us free will, the right to choose him or reject him. The choice is yours my friend. Here the is evidence totally proving evolution to be the fraud that it is
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If your argument against evolution was due to what you saw as a lack of evidence then you wouldn't believe in God or Creationism since there is even less evidence of Creationism (all of which is circumstantial) and no evidence of God.

Saying that evolution is not true because nobody has shown the so-called transitional fossils to prove it (by the way they have a fossil that is a cross between a dinosaur and a bird) is like saying that OJ Simpson didn't do it because he never got caught in the act. We just know that there are two dead bodies, a murder weapon, and a few other pieces of evidence lying around that all point to that.

No we never saw an ancient primate evolve into a man, but we do see the physiological similarities and the genetic similarities, a 97% match to be precise and we have plenty of fossils of primates that gradually look more and more human (that's pretty transitional if you ask me). Of course it's totally possible that God just got lazy and decided to create us using identical DNA template, but there's zero evidence of that.

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Old 03-09-2008, 07:58 AM
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How come then we never get to see the stages through this progress. For example why is there not something walking about that is between gorrila and man. Or other species in a transiational stage. Don't tell me we just go from gorrila to man just like that. Also if you believe the link between the gorrila and man has died out, why would it die out if it was more evolved than the gorrila. There is no evidence of evolution in the slightest otherwise we would see plenty of animals at stages in their morphing cycle.
we could well be in a transitional stage still, evolution doesnt 'happen' in a matter of years.

also we do see how animals have changed, we cannot predict how they will change in the future and therefore cannot determine in what 'stage' they are in.
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Old 03-09-2008, 09:14 AM
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I believe evolution is a fraud otherwise why do we not see it happening today. If we are related to the primates why are they not getting smarter like us. In all the time we have known of the primates existence they have stayed the same, those that have mastered the use of simple tools still use those tools they did not adapt them or make them better. In the time since we have known of monkeys and gorrilas we have invented many new things, sky scrapers, the car, loads of stuff. Yet they are still sniffing each others bottoms and eating the fleas from each other. They have learned nothing, just like every other animal and humans are always getting smarter and learning new things adapting, researching, implementing different techniques to all different things.
It seems that you don't understand the concept of evolution. Evolution takes place over hundreds of thousands of years. I think you should actually learn about what the actual theory of evolution and natural selection is before you disagree with it.
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Old 03-09-2008, 10:05 AM
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It seems that you don't understand the concept of evolution. Evolution takes place over hundreds of thousands of years. I think you should actually learn about what the actual theory of evolution and natural selection is before you disagree with it.

As I have said before it does not matter how long it takes, we should still have species in a in between period. For eg. where is the species that we evoled from. If you say ape, I say we did not just jump from ape to man. Also these skull people show of a slow morphing from ape to man, are just skulls that are from completely different species similiar yes but they have not evolved from one to the other. How come if man evolved from ape where are the species in between why did they not survive, after all they would have been more evolved than an ape.
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we could well be in a transitional stage still, evolution doesnt 'happen' in a matter of years.

also we do see how animals have changed, we cannot predict how they will change in the future and therefore cannot determine in what 'stage' they are in.
People are just seeing species that are similar and assuming one evolved from the other. There is no proof, those who are pro-evolution tend to think they are always logical and open minded. Then why cannot see there is no proof of evolution. Humans do not share the same DNA as any other species, we may have a similar DNA to other species but not the same. If we evolved from these species then it is logical we would share the same DNA. Pro-evolutionaries go round like as if they are stating fact when all they are really doing is giving a theory, and it is one I don't agree with.
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Old 03-09-2008, 10:20 AM
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As I have said before it does not matter how long it takes, we should still have species in a in between period. For eg. where is the species that we evoled from. If you say ape, I say we did not just jump from ape to man. Also these skull people show of a slow morphing from ape to man, are just skulls that are from completely different species similiar yes but they have not evolved from one to the other. How come if man evolved from ape where are the species in between why did they not survive, after all they would have been more evolved than an ape.
You've changed your argument from what it originally was. Before you were complaining that we hadn't seen some evolution in the past few thousand, now your argument is where's the missing link?

What happened to your old argument? Realized it was crap?
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Murphy:

You seem to be operating under the common misconception that Humans "evolved from apes", when that is ridiculous and not what the evolution theory states at all. The idea is that we all (that is apes and humans) evolved from a common ancestor. Our enviroments dictated our adaptations and eventual evolving to suit those environments.

Australopithecines came from that common ancestor (they are of course the earlier form of what would become human) and had to adapt to life differently than other groups of the same ancestor, who adapted to life in tree dwelling habitats. This is evolution. Nobody has seriously held that we "came from apes" and "apes just haven't caught up yet" as you implicitly posit.

I suggest picking up a text book or taking a course in Biology to learn about the theory and gain insight on just what evolution exactly is about, rather than operating on what appear to be gross assumptions.
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Old 03-09-2008, 10:37 AM
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[quote=W.E.B. Du Bois;152958]You've changed your argument from what it originally was. Before you were complaining that we hadn't seen some evolution in the past few thousand, now your argument is where's the missing link?

What happened to your old argument? Realized it was crap?[/QUOTE}

No I am still saying that I do not believ in evolution, I still don't see it. I am asking you to prove to me by pointing out the transgression. All you have shown is species that are similar.
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Old 03-09-2008, 10:42 AM
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Murphy:

You seem to be operating under the common misconception that Humans "evolved from apes", when that is ridiculous and not what the evolution theory states at all. The idea is that we all (that is apes and humans) evolved from a common ancestor. Our enviroments dictated our adaptations and eventual evolving to suit those environments.

Australopithecines came from that common ancestor (they are of course the earlier form of what would become human) and had to adapt to life differently than other groups of the same ancestor, who adapted to life in tree dwelling habitats. This is evolution. Nobody has seriously held that we "came from apes" and "apes just haven't caught up yet" as you implicitly posit.

I suggest picking up a text book or taking a course in Biology to learn about the theory and gain insight on just what evolution exactly is about, rather than operating on what appear to be gross assumptions.
As I have said before prove this to me, show me that these species are not just similar. Where is the transgression from one species to another. As I have said before what you people are stating is a THEORY, well my THEORY is what you think what we evolved from is actually a different species with just some similarities.
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Old 03-09-2008, 10:45 AM
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People are just seeing species that are similar and assuming one evolved from the other. There is no proof, those who are pro-evolution tend to think they are always logical and open minded. Then why cannot see there is no proof of evolution. Humans do not share the same DNA as any other species, we may have a similar DNA to other species but not the same. If we evolved from these species then it is logical we would share the same DNA. Pro-evolutionaries go round like as if they are stating fact when all they are really doing is giving a theory, and it is one I don't agree with.
we are openminded to other theories, we're just not convinced by them. the creationist theory does not match up to evolution theory in logic and that's why it is not dominant in secular societies.

and we do not compare our DNA to that of monkeys because they are not the species we evolved from.

it is fine if you dont agree with the theory, but i doubt you have an alternative one.
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