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It is hard to see macro evolution in higher organisms because of the massive time scales, but we see it in lower orders of life where evolution is much faster, such as bacteria, and virus's.

I believe that combined with fossil evidence, is more than conclusive.
How do we explain the similarity of human types and their coincidental apprearance on the planet in order of simple types appearing earlier than more sophisticated types?

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Old 03-05-2008, 06:06 PM
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How do we explain the similarity of human types and their coincidental apprearance on the planet in order of simple types appearing earlier than more sophisticated types?

I mean we cannot see it in real time because of the massive timescales. (We don't see the evolution occurring in higher organisms as it occurs over millions of lifetimes, only have evidence laying out fossil evidence of like species existing in the past). The fossils no less provide a definite link, which is why i said that combined with the observed macro evolution of lower life forms, and the fossil evidence is more than enough to be conclusive that macro evolution occurred.
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Old 03-05-2008, 06:39 PM
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the link you gave only denies evolution theory. even if evolution theory could be proven wrong this is no affirmation for creationist theories. dont forget this fact.
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I mean we cannot see it in real time because of the massive timescales. (We don't see the evolution occurring in higher organisms as it occurs over millions of lifetimes, only have evidence laying out fossil evidence of like species existing in the past). The fossils no less provide a definite link, which is why i said that combined with the observed macro evolution of lower life forms, and the fossil evidence is more than enough to be conclusive that macro evolution occurred.
Exactly, even though there are theories that some parts of macro evolution can happen pretty fast, but even then I guess we are talking at least about a few thousand years. I think the point is that even though real time is no option, evidences can show that it takes place for pretty sure as well.

What might be of interest is that the new methods of genetics are becoming a powerful tool here as well and it confirms all those major theories. Its the best proof you could imagine, after all, the founders and pioneers of the evolution theory could not expect such methods to ever emerge, nonetheless those methods did confirm their theories.
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Thanks for your concern, Santa, but no thanks I'll have to pass on that.

There's pretty solid evidence that the polar bear, for instance, evolved from the brown bear, and also that the polar bear itself has evolved over time.

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According to both fossil and DNA evidence, the polar bear diverged from the brown bear roughly 200 thousand years ago. The oldest known polar bear fossil is less than 100 thousand years old. Fossils show that between 10 and 20 thousand years ago, the polar bear's molar teeth changed significantly from those of the brown bear.
On a side note, humans didn't evolve from animals, humans are animals
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On a side note, humans didn't evolve from animals, humans are animals
To be specific, we are mammals.
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Evolution is a theory that is being more and more widely accepted on scientific basis. As any theory in a developing stage it is subject to scrutiny on a scientific basis and this helps to discover new findings that might modify or improve the existing theory.
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Evolution is a theory that is being more and more widely accepted on scientific basis. As any theory in a developing stage it is subject to scrutiny on a scientific basis and this helps to discover new findings that might modify or improve the existing theory.
"in a developing stage" is an understatement I guess. Every scientific theory is in under development, but not too many have seen such a massive number of confirming experiments and facts in an already far above 100 year long history.
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And I've known for 3 years now that evolution is lies but only had the guts to tell a small few but now I'm going to let everyone I know, know that its all lies with no scientific basis. Read all the evidence and decide for yourself. I post this because I want the truth to get out and don't want any of you to go to Hell. Jesus died on the cross to give us the gift of eternal life so you would not have to go to Hell. Thats not something to take lightly. And if you go to Hell, you do so by our own choice. God gave us free will, the right to choose him or reject him. The choice is yours my friend. Here the is evidence totally proving evolution to be the fraud that it is
Top Evidences Against the Theory of Evolution

Im sorry i have to disagree with you.How the hell can you start by telling us that evolution is lies then turn around and tell us that Jesus went through an evolutionary stage to die for our sins??? If we die the our souls take on a different form this is EVOLUTION evolution of the soul from the human body. How can you disbelieve in evolution when you started off from being a sperm swimming in a nut sack and evolved into a baby, which then evolved into a man. And your thinking went through a proccess of evolution you nolonger think as a baby you think as a man, hell you evolved into a christian. So how can i go to hell believing that im a process of evolution when my own life displays me evolving?? As far as darwin goes ... fuck him i aint no monkey, however im a product of evolution even death is a state of evolution.
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