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Old 04-22-2008, 07:25 PM
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Everything has to have a cause. That is a well established fact. Nothing in this universe could ever have existed without a cause. God is that cause and made mankind as He said He did in the Bible. He is outside the requirements to have a cause and that is why He was able to create the universe.
Evolution is totally false and has no basis in anything but the person biases of many scientists.
The idea that something must have a cause does nothing to support the existence of god and does nothing to refute evolution. Evolution is a process with a lot of good evidence behind it. It does not refer to abiogenesis, which is where life comes from non-life. Denying evolution because of a hazy first-cause is like denying that babies develop in the womb because you don't know how conception works. While I do not believe in God, I do not claim that evolution is what refutes the existence of God.

If everything must have a cause, I do not see what would make us think a god would be immune to this rule. I also fail to see how making up an abstract being helps explain things. It is arrogant to assume that we can understand how the universe or life began without sufficient evidence. We may never know, and we can speculate, but to treat any speculation as dogmatic fact doesn't make sense.
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Denying evolution because of a hazy first-cause is like denying that babies develop in the womb because you don't know how conception works.
Don't be silly, everybody knows that babies get made in the mommy's tummy.
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thats just saying totally diff things... everything must have a cause and god doesnt. everything mean just that everything including god.
why does the universe have to have a cause if god didnt.
Everything in the universe had to have a cause. A being not within the boundaries of our laws of physics could possibly exist without a cause. The laws of physics of this universe require everything to have a cause. God exists within a spiritual realm, a realm where it could be argued that there is no need for a cause. What is for sure, that we should all be able to admit, something had to exist forever and I believe with all my heart the evidence points straight to the God of the Bible.
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Even though there is no evidence for evolution.
No evidence? Ha. Science is evidence. Their bones, their brains, their organs, and we have even found bones of people like Neanderthals who are in between human and ape.
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If you choose to ignore the truth...
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Everything in the universe had to have a cause. A being not within the boundaries of our laws of physics could possibly exist without a cause. The laws of physics of this universe require everything to have a cause. God exists within a spiritual realm, a realm where it could be argued that there is no need for a cause. What is for sure, that we should all be able to admit, something had to exist forever and I believe with all my heart the evidence points straight to the God of the Bible.
God does have a cause.
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God does have a cause.
Tell God to pay me a visit and explain it to me in person.
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Everything has to have a cause. That is a well established fact. Nothing in this universe could ever have existed without a cause. God is that cause and made mankind as He said He did in the Bible. He is outside the requirements to have a cause and that is why He was able to create the universe.
Evolution is totally false and has no basis in anything but the person biases of many scientists.
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Circular logic does not solve the problem. If everything has to have a cause then so must God. Who caused God? He could not have caused himself. As you said everything has a cause. If God is without cause then your argument is false as something indeed does exist without cause, God. Thus if God can exist without cause then so could potentially something else. Like say the universe.
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Tell God to pay me a visit and explain it to me in person.
That he cannot do or at least will not do often, I cannot say why.
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God does have a cause.
What makes you think that? I can't find anywhere in the Bible God said he has a cause.
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