I've read the Bible cover-to-cover several times, and have found nothing that separates it from or makes it better than any other religious text. Sorry...

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I feel that God is not insecure enough to send anyone who doesn't believe in him, even if they are good, to hell. I also feel that an eternity of pain and suffering is too much of a punishment for God who is supposed to love and care about his people.

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Capitalism has always been a failure for the lower classes. It is now beginning to fail for the middle classes. - Howard Zinn

"THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NOT EVEN ONE" ( Romans 3:10 )

"for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" ( Romans 3:23 )

"If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us." ( 1 John 1:8 )

"If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us." ( 1 John 1:10 )

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"Good intentions are a noble thing, but you have to look at the end result to see if those intentions are well placed."
-- LessGovMrPrez

"I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have."
-- Thomas Jefferson

I can quote scripture too!

"Then began he to upbraid the cities wherein most of his mighty works were done, because they repented not:" Mathew 11:20 (Jesus condemns entire cities to hell because they didn't listen to him)

"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword." Matthew 10:34 (Pretty self explanatory, and contradictory of itself)

"He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal." John 12:25 (I guess we should all hate life, )

"Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom." Matthew 25:1 (Who said only muslims had a thing for virgins in heaven)

"(As it is written in the law of the LORD, Every male that openeth the womb shall be called holy to the Lord" Luke 2:23 (I guess only men are born holy)

"And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life." Matthew 19:29 (Jesus wants you to abandon your family)

"And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them." Genesis 6:7 (I guess God really hates us all)

"These are the generations of Shem: Shem was an hundred years old, and begat Arphaxad two years after the flood:

And Shem lived after he begat Arphaxad five hundred years, and begat sons and daughters." Genesis 11:10-11 ( I guess living to 600 years old was totally common back then )

The point of all this is to prove that quoting scripture is a preposterous argument against evolution, as the same scripture you quote from also says all of these ridiculous and contradictory things.

The Bible claims that light came to earth before the sun, that plants came before light (how could they photosynthesize without light?), and that the entire planet and sun were created in 6 days, and that Men were among the first inhabitants on earth. And that those men all lived well into their 600's, and that the world is only a few thousand years old, that for some reason god only chose to reveal himself to the Jews while ignoring everyone else, ever since and ever before, and many many other preposterous things.

Since we know for a fact that the earth is about 4.5 billion years old, and that man is nowhere close to the first inhabitants on earth, and that plants cannot exist without the sun, isn't the bible kind of discredited as a historical record?

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I did not claim that anyone is without a sin. Reread my post.
What can be said for sure is that there are many people who dont believe in a Christian god or any god at all, who live a far better and selfless life than many believers.

You say, that their life counts nothing as the punishment for not believing, no matter how they lived will be ultimately fierce and be eternal pain and suffering.

If this were really gods will, he definitely could not be full of merciness, but he has to be an angry and raging god then.

He is an angry and raging God, ever read the Old Testament? It's Jesus who is merciful.

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Well, either God is shizophrenic then or something does not work out here...

Alright, it could, but at this point it still requires assumptions.


[quote=Demarcoa;155270][quote=Troianii;155021]Evolution requires assumptions, just as creationism does. The idea of evolution is that we've found fossils of entirely different species that look alike and change in some order, so we assume that the earlier species became the latter. In Creationism (or ID) we find that all around us the world is telling us that it had been designed. Evolutionists such as Hawkins have recognized this, but have said that the earth is trying to fool us. I never said that evolution is all that simple, I said that (at this point) it requires certain assumptions, and at the present state that is the case.

And there's no need to jump the gun and attempt to refute point I didn't make (but you assumed I had).


Assumptions are made by human beings, the theory of evolution is made by a human being... BINGO!

And please, don't tell me that you haven't heard of Stephen Hawking?

Sorry if my post was unclear above.

They "could" not only, they do. Currently a large scale process of reorganizing the entire nomenclature based on genetics is on the way.

From Bacteria I know that such a nomenclature is already replacing the old one that wsa based on physiological and visible features instead. I am pretty sure, something similar is also currently taking place in the other fields of biology.

I'm really confused. We're changing how we name things, and that proves?