WORLD UNITE - Page 8 - Political Forum

John Murphy · 03-08-2008, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ResidentAtheist

The civilizations on this planet are all based off ideals, its what defines them. The Romans and Greeks were based on represenatives governments, and than religious ideology. The Islamic nations of the middle east are grounded on the ideals of Islam, there entire governmental system is based on Islam. After the Magna Carte England was based of fair and balanced human rights, they kicked the church out of politics. What you do is based on your ideal. What you believe defines what you do in your life. if you believe wholeheartedly in your god and that in the afterlife you will be blessed with eternal life than that can force you to do remarkable good things in this world...
However,
Say you believe in this god, but you also believe all must believe regardless and that your a chosen race. If you go out and kill millions of people based of these beliefs than your religion/ideals, are a direct cause of those murders. Your ideals caused these murders because your ideals are who you are.
Its entirely possible that someone can go out there, believing that Atheist people are a better people and all others should die because there ignorant and arrogant people, hiding behind there faith. But Stalin and Mao Zedong were politicians who didnt simply murder the religious because of there atheism. They murdered anyone who stood in there way because they wanted power, they wanted to be at the top. They wanted man to be revered, not a religion. They never went around and said specifically that they were killing in the name of Atheism, they killed because they wanted power. Hitler killed because he believed to be part of hte master race and his religion, his christian religion, made him believe Jews stole everything from him.
Of course men start wars, but its those ideals that cause the man to start the war. everything causes something, cause and effect. simple.

John Murphy
SOme of the greatest scientist believed in a god or diety?
Paul Dirac, predicted Antimatter and won the Nobel Prize in Physics
Sigmund Freud, No Explanation needed
Alan Turing, Known as 'Father of Modern Computing'
Ron Reagan jr. and Lance Armstrong, Had to mention these two simply because ones the son of a president and the other is a personal hero of mine.
Bertrand Russell, British Philosopher and Mathematician.
Stephen Hawking, Not definite proof, because i have two qoutes that sort of say the opposite, but no doubt he doesnt believe in your god.
Carl Sagan - Was an american astronomer deeply concerned wiht nuclear disarmanment (sp?). he believed in the Fermi Paradox that said when civilizations generally reached a lever of technological advancement they destroyed themselves. Being an Atheist, he wanted to fight for the survival of the one an only life he and everyone else has. He was a remarkable man, one of the smartest i believe. Regardless of your beliefs, please research this man. and watch Cosmos.
Sean Carroll, Theoritical Cosmologist
Steven Weinberg, won Nobel Prize in Physics in 1979
Authors, Did you know Mark Twain and Kurt Vonnegut are Atheists. These are authors whose books you read in school.

I could list more but i wanted to get only the ones you should recognize of the first look, hopefully. Plus, i didnt want to simply make a giant list.
I want you to understand theres plenty of people on the other side of the spectrum who dont believe in your god and those that do, including Albert Einstein, dont believe in the Christian/Catholic god but a greater force at work.
Murphy, please explain some of these events that are true that are mentioned in the bible but not other books? Even more, explain how something found true is only in one book that as far as i'm concerned, is a fairy tale on world history? The bible is a record on that time period, of course theres going to be events that actually took place, its just that its highly exagerated.
Don't mock my belief Murphy. its not my problem that i dont believe, its my choice and i don't see it as my flaw, its who i am and i don't appreaciate you saying its a problem. I don't mock your faith, i mock that which you have faith in. Have your belief, it doesnt bother me. I just don't agree with the actual belief but i believe you should have every right to believe. Don't try and believe i have a problem because i don't believe, that i should ever need anyones help for salvation. I made my choice.

I did not say anyone must believe in the same God as me. I also never said every scientiest believed in God or some cosmic deity. I said most of the great scientists did which is a fact. I also never said anything about Albert Einstein being a christain or believing in the same God as me. Albert Einstein once said science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind. Also how can I mock your belief I don't know what you believe in. You say you don't mock my faith, but mock what I have faith in, that is a complete contradiction. Do you not see by mocking what I have faith is mocking my faith. If you don't believe you need any help for your salvation that is completely your choice, but I still cannot help but feel sorry for you. I maen that in all sincerity.

presluc · 03-08-2008, 04:03 PM

I have a question,
HOW CAN THE WORLD UNITE IF WE ALL ARE CRITICAL OF EACH OTHERS BELEIFS?
AND THOUGH i BELEIVE IN GOD I DO NOT BELEIVE IN CRAMING RELIGION DOWN ANYBODYS THROAT.
HOWEVER, NEITHER DO I BELEIVE IN HAVING ATHEISISM SHOVED OUT THERE LIKE IT'S THE ONLY "INTELLIGENT WAY TO BELEIVE"

ResidentAtheist · 03-09-2008, 05:14 AM

You said the greatest scientiest believed in God, i just proved that those great scientists dont believe in god.
You didnt say everyone needs to believe in your god in so many words, but when you mock my belief and others and say your sorry for them, its even worse.
Me hating religion is not the same as me hating the religious. Your free to believe, i just don't like that which you believe in, but again, your free to interpret that as much as you want.

John Murphy · 03-09-2008, 10:33 AM

[quote=ResidentAtheist;152902]You said the greatest scientiest believed in God, i just proved that those great scientists dont believe in god.

I did not, I said MOST of the great scientists believed in God, or some cosmic deity.

You didnt say everyone needs to believe in your god in so many words, but when you mock my belief and others and say your sorry for them, its even worse.

I did not say in any kind of words people should believe in my God, nor did I even inply it. I have not mocked your beliefs, and I cannot help it if I'm sorry for you it's how I feel.

Me hating religion is not the same as me hating the religious. Your free to believe, i just don't like that which you believe in, but again, your free to interpret that as much as you want.

That is fair enough, but that is not what you said before. You said you were mocking what I had faith in, not my faith. I was just stipulating that, that is contradictory becuase by mocking what I have faith in you are mocking my faith. Also I don't like atheism, but that does not mean I don't like atheists

Parisyann · 03-09-2008, 10:38 AM

Oh I have a philosophical question to ask you all since the title of this thread is World Unite (it just went boom into my head after watching Star Wars too many times):

ALL BE ONE. CAN ALL BE?

presluc · 03-09-2008, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ResidentAtheist

You said the greatest scientiest believed in God, i just proved that those great scientists dont believe in god.
You didnt say everyone needs to believe in your god in so many words, but when you mock my belief and others and say your sorry for them, its even worse.
Me hating religion is not the same as me hating the religious. Your free to believe, i just don't like that which you believe in, but again, your free to interpret that as much as you want.

Pardon me ,but isn't that what I just said?
No individual should be ridiculed for what they beleive in atheist or God.

I thought thats what made us individual?

It is true some religous people say that atheist are going to Hell and lead a wrong lifestyle I do not.
On the other hand some atheist say our faith is laughable and think because anybody that beleives in God is a fool living in a fantasy world.

Which one are you?

presluc · 03-09-2008, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Parisyann

Oh I have a philosophical question to ask you all since the title of this thread is World Unite (it just went boom into my head after watching Star Wars too many times):

ALL BE ONE. CAN ALL BE?

In theory yes in reality WELL?
Perhaps all be one can all be, but not in my lifetime that's for sure.

ResidentAtheist · 03-09-2008, 02:33 PM

i do not hate any religious person (except for the fundementalist extremists).
I do believe your faith is a laughable joke and your living in a fantasy life, but your free to believe. Its my opinion, just like most of your kind have the opinion that i am going to hell when i die.

Locke9-05 · 03-09-2008, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ResidentAtheist

i do not hate any religious person (except for the fundementalist extremists).
I do believe your faith is a laughable joke and your living in a fantasy life, but your free to believe. Its my opinion, just like most of your kind have the opinion that i am going to hell when i die.

That's the kind of bigoted attitude that causes conflicts--sometimes on massive levels. "Just like most of your kind have the opinion..." You have no idea what people think unless they tell you and ignorant generalizations like that reflect what seems to be a true unwillingness and apathy to accept instead of judging. "Most of our kind..." What the hell does that even mean? It certainly wasn't a thoughtful intellectual statement, I can say that much for sure. "Most" religious people don't think in any one way. Every individual is different and there are many different religions. I'm religious and I don't believe that those who don't believe in what I do are going to hell... There are plenty like me and your bigoted statement is a reflection of the non-accepting and judgmental mindset that creates world conflicts.

presluc · 03-09-2008, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ResidentAtheist

i do not hate any religious person (except for the fundementalist extremists).
I do believe your faith is a laughable joke and your living in a fantasy life, but your free to believe. Its my opinion, just like most of your kind have the opinion that i am going to hell when i die.

I do not HATE ANYTHING BUT HATE.
As for your beleif that my faith is laughable and I'm living in a fantasy,I thank you for giving me freedom to beleive.

Perhaps I should return the favor although your beleif is based on a big hole er I mean bang, and all you have is theories ,maybes and excuses you too are free to beleive It is my opinion that most of "your kind" have the opinion that I'm not all that smart or maybe just plain crazy.