WORLD UNITE - Page 11 - Political Forum

John Murphy · 03-12-2008, 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by presluc

Well, I don't know if it's politics playing a big role in the church, or if it's the church playing a big role in politics,
One thing for sure these two need to be seperated.

I think the opposite I believe religion is being removed to much from our laws, everything nowadays is becoming more acceptable. Plus God said not to flaunt your prayer, he said nothing about people praying together, people could do it in silence if they wished, but I believe it would be good if everyone was united in prayer.

presluc · 03-12-2008, 11:49 AM

How can you say that, when we have a "right wing"christian society" and when republicans refer to religion as a base??

John Murphy · 03-19-2008, 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by presluc

How can you say that, when we have a "right wing"christian society" and when republicans refer to religion as a base??

Well for one thing I believ abortion to be wrong, yet it is acceptable in many countries. I also believe homosexuality to be wrong, still it is hardly something you can ban, but you could make that their marriages have no legal or religious bearing. There is a great many things western countries are to liberal on. The time our leaders falsely use religion is when they are using it as an excuse to go to war. These however are not true christains and they smear christianity and the church.

presluc · 03-19-2008, 03:22 PM

Well, first of all lets take abortion I will only say that I am pro choice and leave it at that.
As for homosexuals, I got no say on that.
Why should I care if a couple of gays get married or not?
I mean after paying a few layer bills after a divorce and losing their house they might not want to get married anyway.
As far as useing releigion in war, come on, how many times have you heard this.
GOD IS ON OUR SIDE
ALLAH IS ON OURSIDE

A KKK speaker with a bible in one hand an a torch to light the cross in the other

John Murphy · 03-20-2008, 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by presluc

Well, first of all lets take abortion I will only say that I am pro choice and leave it at that.
As for homosexuals, I got no say on that.
Why should I care if a couple of gays get married or not?
I mean after paying a few layer bills after a divorce and losing their house they might not want to get married anyway.
As far as useing releigion in war, come on, how many times have you heard this.
GOD IS ON OUR SIDE
ALLAH IS ON OURSIDE

A KKK speaker with a bible in one hand an a torch to light the cross in the other

Well for a start all this about abortion, and homosexuality shows how liberal the government is, and how our leaders have turned away from religion. Also you have just pointed out what I was meaning, when they do use religion, they normally use it for their own selfish purposes as for reason to go to war. Or that God is on there side when they do go to war this is blasphemus, they are just using GOD and religion to promote their own agenda.

presluc · 03-20-2008, 12:16 PM

Sorry I don't see it that way,
Have we becomeso liberal that smokers can not go into a resturant and have a cup of coffeee and a cigarette?

Have we became so liberal that we must have the "right" to listen in on any phone without a warrant?

Have we became so liberal that we borrow from the Chinese to funish tax cuts for the rich corporations in America.?

Have we become so liberal that the American worker isn't good enough to Has make American produts they must be made by foreign workers?

Has America become so liberal that raiseing the mininum wage was voted down at least 5 times in the past 7 years ?
I keep hearing about the "liberal "America I keep seeing something completely differant.

John Murphy · 03-25-2008, 08:37 AM

I am sory I should not have put my argument in the way that I did. Many western countries are liberal in some ways and in others they do not care about the peoples rights. Which even proves my point more they are getting further removed from religion. If it were a truly religious country it would care about peoples rights, but also care about what is percieved as ethical and unethical.

presluc · 03-25-2008, 11:07 AM

I will ask but two questions.
1 Do you have to be rich to stand on moral high ground?
2Who decides what is ethical and unethical a bunch of rich guys in suits or the people?

dahermit · 03-25-2008, 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Murphy

I am writing to you about something I feel is very important. I hope after you read this you will want to help. If you read the papers or watch the news you will already know how crazy the world is. We have wars in the middle east, tribal conflict in Kenya, and here in the west their is drugs, prostitution, and gang violence. All these things make me wonder what will become of mankind if we do not change our ways.
I began to think how could people change things for the better. Then it came to me prayer was the answer. If EVERYONE prayed for the same thing God would answer us. So why do we not have a WORLD PRAYER DAY, asking God for forgiveness, and world peace. The date for this event is March 17 2010 3:00 p.m. GMT. Since this will be a worldwide event and we all want to be united in prayer, for some it will not be March 17. It may mean some people will be praying in the early hours of the morning. For others it will be late in the evening. The year 2010 was chose so that hopefully by that time everbody around the globe will have heard of WORLD PRAYER DAY. People can pray wherever they want at their place of worship, or at home, or at work. It does not matter where you pray just so long as you do so. Though all religions are different they all have the same base of good moral standards. I do not believe any religion will oppose this idea.
You may think to have WORLD PRAYER DAY is impossible, but I believe it is possible if properly advertised. That is why we need help in advertising the idea. This can be done by you posting this info on other sites/forums. By telling family and friends and then they to can forward the news of WORLD PRAYER DAY.
Prayer is for everyone so everyone should try to pray. Remember we are all sinners.

Prayer put to a scientific test:
Cup both of your hands. Defecate into your left hand and then pray that your right hand will likewise be filled. Has anyone's right hand become filled? Even sometimes? Even infrequently? Even rarely? If never, then the power of prayer should be obvious.

Despite the charlatan preachers practicing faith-healing (Jim Jones did it) and the many prosthetic devices left at Lourdes France, praying has no proof that it can produce any physical result. Lacking evidence, it is a jesture of futility.

presluc · 03-25-2008, 12:33 PM

And on the flip side,
It has been said on more than one occasion
God answers prayer and sometimes he says no.
As far as the old "Jim Jones" stuuf.
One might ask what about Charlei Manson, Jeffery Dahmer,and a sling of other murders that just happen to be atheist.
Of course the fact that they were atheist did not have any thing to do with the crimes that were commited.
It was their choice not a command from the atheist beleif.
Just as Jim Jones received no command from religion to commit his crime that was his choice.