Hmm.. i think this concept always hold true... the winner will judge the loser... and the winner will always be right and the loser will always be wrong.... if one day the United states is to collapse.. they will be judge as war criminal as well... same goes for past countries and kingdoms... this is the only law. stick with it live with it.

this is my opinion

Hmm i think you guys dont have to argue over who is right and wrong... look at it this way....

Japan expansion 1930-1945
1) Liberate countries that is under western imperialist control
2) Need raw resources to sustain a growing country
3) Need more living area to accomodate growing populations
4) To get rid of negative western influence.
5) promote nationalist idea

American expansion 1945- present
1) Liberate countries that is under terrorist or dictactorial control
2) need more oil reserve to sustain economy
3) need more oversea control to gain raw materials
4) to get rid of negative terrorist mind set.
5) promote democracy

Nazi germany 1930 - 1945
1) Liberate areas that was rightfully belongs to germany before WW1
2) need more raw materials to sustain growing economy
3) need more living space to accomodate its population
4) To get rid of capitalist idea
5) to promote National Socialist idea.

so did you see any diffrence?

always the victor will justify that they are correct and they are doing the right things and helping people to liberate them and to promote their own beliefs. And the loser well the points that was listed is also their crime.

1) What justify a country to liberate another country?
2) what justify the occupation of other countries for raw resources?
3) what justify the occupation of other for your population?
4) what gives them the right to promote their idea to others by being a liberator and a occupational force?

you be the judge... my friends

Hmm i guess war in itself is already not encourage, mass killings by nazi etc. should never have happen.... but then again during the bombing of Hiroshima and nagasaki civilians are involved and many are killed... it is the same as nazi genocide. so whats the diffrence? what have happen cannot be undone... so lets hope no such thing repeat itself in the future....

cheers and stay cool...

@nsap: Before we examine your argument, nsap, let's examine your conclusions:

Imperial Japan = USA = Nazi Germany

You've already lost the argument. I don't even need to try. Your conclusions are so absurd that anyone can see the glaring flaws and would dismiss it. I'm curious though, what is your home country? Germany?

You've said a lot here, which actually would require a lot of time to argue against. Basically, I would agree that US foreign policy has a lot of imperialist qualities to it, however the US did not engage in slaughtering millions of people as the Nazi's did, nor slaughtering hundreds of thousands of people as the Japanese did. I don't go around worshipping Andrew Jackson who put the Native Americans on the Trail of Tears. I don't go around trying to whitewash his sins. MCTojo does do that for Tojo.

We are clearly different. You can think we are the same, that is your prerogative and I am re-assured in that I know that no one will agree with you.


WEB

Hi WEB,


Hmmm you dont have to be too defensive... i did not mention about killing people... what i listed is the concept of these countries are almost the same. Im sure if you check with other countries you will know what i mean. As for the death of innocent lives hmm let see....

1) Afganisthan - how many lifes was lost because of the invasion? how many are still dying each day now?
2) Iraq - how many have died? how many are still dying? (not just americans but iraqis)
3) south Korea - the war between north and south korea how many casualties?
4) Vietnam war - How many casualties?
5) Japan - Nagasaki and Hiroshima, how many casualties?

there are a few countries that was not listed.

So WEB if you are talking about killing and death then im sure the people in these countries have alot to say about.

Ps: im not against anyone or anything just telling facts. sorry if it offended anyone.

It seems like you are arguing out of both sides of your mouth, my friend. Is the US = Nazi Germany or not? Please tell me if the US is the same as Nazi Germany or not and if they are not different, please tell me how. I will gladly answer your questions once I know what I am arguing against.

You will find that I know A LOT more about the total history of US foreign policy than you might suspect. I am not so blind as to just salute the stars and stripes and think that we are only fighting against evil communists or evil terrorists.

Like I say, the US foreign policy has been pretty awful for as long as the US has had a foreign policy that was not isolationism. That does not mean that our country should even be mentioned in the same sentence as Nazi Germany.

If you are willing to say the US has similarities to Nazi Germany, are you also willing to admit that the EU is too?

I have asked you two times before if you are a German, I don't know if I will ever get a response to this question. However, I accept that you are a German and that Germans have a different way of thinking about Nazi's than do Americans. I am gradually learning not to be so offended by this.


WEB

Hi WEB,

Im a german but not in germany, I did not say USA are the same as NAZI Germany, what i mean is their policy are quite similar and also the reason given for the liberation and occupation are similar. Im just curious thats all.

first let us look at this:- USA

1) What is the reason for USA to station troops in these countries? are they liberators?
2) Why pick all the countries with high natural resources such as oil and gas? and raw materials?
3) Why do US have to replace the local government?

Second lets look at Germany

1) Germany occupy land with high natural resources, and their stated reason was to liberate this countries from their evil or corrupt goverment.
2) replace local government with puppet state.
3) Act as liberators to occupy countries.

I know you have many experience and knowledge about USA policy so would like to listen to your opinion on this. Again would like to state this is a discussion not aggression. ok

Well, I disagree. Whatever you want to say about the USA, we don't ethnically cleanse people. Did the US ethnically cleanse the Native Americans? I could see someone thinking that and I won't object strenuously to it. However, all the other relations we've had, all the other wars we've fought do not involve ethnic cleansing. That is what Germany was all about: ethnic cleansing. Ethnically cleansing the Jews, Gypsies, Poles, Russians and Slavic people. Germany was about some master Western European race and everyone else needs to be killed off. This is the most distinctive characteristic of Nazi Germany, and the US is not like that, so the US is not like Nazi Germany.

So then why are we in Afghanistan? Do they have some valuable yaks which we take the milk from?

Saddam violated his agreement to disarm and allow unfettered inspections. He caused the war, and thus why would you leave the guy who caused the war? As for the Taliban, do I really have to explain why a regime supporting a global terrorist organization needs to be replaced?

Was it? I thought it was because they called them inferior and thus Germany can do whatever they want to do to "inferior" people.

Sure. I have an important question though. What does nsap stand for? Why did you choose that username? I am really curious about that.

Thank you.


WEB

I started this thread, so that I could discuss with the poster, nsap, what exactly is NSAP. I am very curious about that. Thank you.



WEB

Feel free to reply about "NSAP" here: http://www.politicsforumpoliticalwor...html#post39238

Thanks


WEB