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05-16-2007, 01:43 PM
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Mixed tapes
I hope on the right track here Web,cause my idea was to have a bipartisian forum with the infices on ideas ,not politics.
Anyway another idea I had was for the low income families or families on the edge of welfare.
If they had a computer with the necessay tools they could make mixed tapes for prepies and rich teenagers, I'm not saying this group of individuals are lazy perhaps their to busy, and it would help low income families not to rely on the government so much.
Also a good small business, politicians are always talking about that right?
So what do you think???
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05-16-2007, 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by presluc
I hope on the right track here Web,cause my idea was to have a bipartisian forum with the infices on ideas ,not politics.
Anyway another idea I had was for the low income families or families on the edge of welfare.
If they had a computer with the necessay tools they could make mixed tapes for prepies and rich teenagers, I'm not saying this group of individuals are lazy perhaps their to busy, and it would help low income families not to rely on the government so much.
Also a good small business, politicians are always talking about that right?
So what do you think???
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Nice idea, but it's illegal.
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05-16-2007, 02:19 PM
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Nice idea, but it's illegal.
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Not if you pay what is it 10 bucks to amozon or whoever.
And then charge $10 a tape, the hard prt would be marketing and advertiseing.
And even if you have to pay more you would charge more.
This would be produced to the people that orders it their favorite songs would be on it.
It would depend on the individuall, as for me it wuold be Twilight Zone by golden earing,Leaning to Fly, by Pink Floyd, Dirty Deeds AC DC ECT
Everybody's taste is differant, but all music lovers have one thing in common,
FAVORITE SONGS.
And anyway hasn't poloticians from both sides always said help small business's,protect small business ect.?
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05-16-2007, 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by presluc
Not if you pay what is it 10 bucks to amozon or whoever.
And then charge $10 a tape, the hard prt would be marketing and advertiseing.
And even if you have to pay more you would charge more.
This would be produced to the people that orders it their favorite songs would be on it.
It would depend on the individuall, as for me it wuold be Twilight Zone by golden earing,Leaning to Fly, by Pink Floyd, Dirty Deeds AC DC ECT
Everybody's taste is differant, but all music lovers have one thing in common,
FAVORITE SONGS.
And anyway hasn't poloticians from both sides always said help small business's,protect small business ect.?
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You can't buy resale rights to music for $10. You're talking thousands of dollars to have permission to do that (if you can get that)
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05-19-2007, 11:45 AM
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Are you telling me that nobody in America is downloading songs on cd,s?
That thetre is no company that has sons you can download for a price?
Or I'm I to understand that if anyone should try this venture to make money, maybe he's in the wrong tax braket?????
I have been proven wrong before on this forum, and when I was I admitted it to whoever I was posting with.
But to proove me wrong you're gonnas have to come up with something better than that lame ass theory.
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05-19-2007, 11:53 AM
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Plenty of people are downloading illegal music, and the RIAA is catching them, and socking them with a $3000 bill when they do.
Even radio stations must pay a little bit every time they play a song.
It's correct that when you buy a song from Amazon or some other service, you are buying the rights for YOU to own it. That's it, unless you pay distribution fees.
Maybe a better use for computers would be to volunteer time at a neighborhood center and tech poor people how to USE them. You know, give a man a fish...
Nowadays, not many people can get anywhere with no computer skills. And if you're an older person, forget working almost ANYWHERE with no PC skills.
A local senior center has asked me if I'd like to tech computer skills to seniors. I may just do that, but those people are not in a desperate need for the classes as poor people are.
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05-19-2007, 12:19 PM
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It is true give a man a fish---, but if you set him up with a fish market well?
As far as the legal; and illegal part of your statements are songs regulated when they are downloaded on a cellphone I think not.
And that's almost anywhere unless they stop you at the door of a shoping mall, or maybe xm has a tag where you can't use a hand held recorder to tape one of your songs.
And, if the U.S. government can break the law of protected privacy WELL??
Maybe this idea needs some upateing or some fixing but just cause it doesn't sound right don't mean you throw it in the trash.
If that were the case, the current president would in fact be headed for the nearest landfill.
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05-19-2007, 01:57 PM
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It is true give a man a fish---, but if you set him up with a fish market well?
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Set him up with a shop full of stolen fish and you have a problem. SOMEBODY'S gonna come lookin.
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As far as the legal; and illegal part of your statements are songs regulated when they are downloaded on a cellphone I think not.
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Sorry, whether it's a cellphone or Amazon.com you ONLY own the rights to play the song yourself and sometimes transfer it to other devices that YOU own.
What you advocated in the OP was to have poor people (who presumably own a computer and CD burning software) make CDs or tapes for sale to "prepies and rich teenagers". That is CLEARLY a commercial use and in complete violation of copyright laws. Look it up if you don't believe me.
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And that's almost anywhere unless they stop you at the door of a shoping mall, or maybe xm has a tag where you can't use a hand held recorder to tape one of your songs.
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A copy is a copy, and this is a totally different example. Do you think anyone would BUY a tape with a recording from a radio, with all the attendant background noise and low sound quality?
And, outside of the Grateful Dead, I'm not aware of any band that allows you to even BRING a recorder (or camera) to a concert, so that's out too. And again, your poor people would be selling crap to "rich teenagers" who obviously have no trouble buying their OWN music and mixing their own playlists.
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And, if the U.S. government can break the law of protected privacy WELL??
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That's apples and oranges, as the government can do a LOT of things you cannot. And the RIAA probably wouldn't sue the government, but they WILL sue YOU.
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Maybe this idea needs some upateing or some fixing but just cause it doesn't sound right don't mean you throw it in the trash.
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It's not really a bad idea, but it just won't work on multiple levels.
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05-19-2007, 02:31 PM
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All of your post I will subit to save two.
Who cares if it works on multible levals or not as long it can make money.
Rich teenagers have no trouble buying and mixing their own music and playlist.
Are you serious, todays rich teenager has trouble learning how to stay out of jail?
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05-19-2007, 03:02 PM
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All of your post I will subit to save two.
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Okay then, let's take care of them.
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Who cares if it works on multible levals or not as long it can make money.
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As I said, it can't make money LEGALLY and your plan would make criminals out of these people. You simply can NOT sell copyrighted material, and music IS copyrighted. You can't even GIVE it away. That's the law.
As a writer I know something about this. ANY creative work can not be duplicated in ANY form without paying for, or getting permission from the author. As long as it is in ANY tangible form it is the property of the author and you have no rights to it.
Technically, if you were writing a story about business opportunities for poor people and you wanted to reference this thread, you can't even reproduce this post without my permission. If I (or you, or anyone else) write something on paper, computer disk, digital file or even written on a piece of toilet paper, it is in "tangible form" and subject to copyright laws. The same goes for music, movies, art and anything else you create yourself.
There is also a "fair use" angle, but it doesn't apply to the legalities we are discussing.
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Rich teenagers have no trouble buying and mixing their own music and playlist.
Are you serious, todays rich teenager has trouble learning how to stay out of jail?
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You're saying they are too stupid to burn a CD on their computer? Technical skill and stupidity regarding breaking laws are too different things. Kevin Mitnick, a computer genius and legendary hacker, was thrown in jail for his hacking and "phone phreaking" exploits. HE went to prison. Are you saying he was too dumb to burn a couple of tunes?
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