Osama bin Laden is an Amalgam! - Political Forum

Fox · 02-20-2007, 04:51 PM

I was in Jr. High when two passenger jets collided with the World Trade Center. A month or two after the fact, I had a simple conversation with a friend wherein I first posed my theory for the nonexistance of Osama bin Laden, which the events of the past six years seemingly support.

Osama bin Laden is not real. He is an amalgam--a composite person--created by the United States government based on a variety of different Islamic leaders, tailor-made to be a scapegoat for any event the U.S. government is unable to explain. We can never catch Osama because he does not exist. We need him to exist so we can put a face on our enemy--the abstract concept of "terrorism" doesn't do too well in that regard. The U.S. has always had an enemy--from the Natives to the English to the Africans to the nonchristians to the Asians to the NAZIs to the Soviets to the Socialists. We, as a people, unite with one-another in a mixture of fear and loathing for some percieved "outsider" that is ALWAYS deemed a threat. Osama is the latest; Osama is manufactured.

To demonstrate faith in my theory, I bet my friend $10 that by the time we graduated Osama would not have been caught. I was told I was crazy and there was "no way" we (the U.S.) wouldn't catch him. So either my cynicism paid off, or I'm on to something BIG.

How is is the same intelligence agency that so-easily determined OBL's culpability in the 9/11/01 attack (within a day or two, IIRC) is the same intelligence organization that fabricated WMDs in Iraq and actually gave weapons to Saddam in the first place? It's simple--Osama bin Laden is just as fake as MacArthur was insane.

He has not been caught or killed. He will not be caught or killed. Remember the DC Sniper? That was blamed on Osama almost immediately. The Oklahoma City bombing? That, too, was almost immediately blamed on Osama. Those two incidnce were blamed on Osama just as fast as 9/11 was. It may or may not be true, but it does make you think.

Brother Oz · 02-20-2007, 05:22 PM

The reason 9/11 was blamed on him was because he went on TV and said he did it.
He has a whole, high-profile family who admit he exists, and that he's a terrorist. Many people have met him.
If it's a conspiracy, it's a damn good one. I really don't think the CIA are anywhere near competent enough to construct such a ruse.
That's not to say that they don't exaggerate his power to scare people, or not put much effort into capturing him so that he can remain a figure of fear. But there's far too much evidence that there is a Saudi called Osama bin Laden who trained terrorists for him to be a complete fabrication.

Public_Enemy · 02-20-2007, 05:43 PM

Well, if I was Osama with the aims of leading a terrorist organization and if USA would accuse me for 9/11, I would happily accept it, he get fame ,money and all terrorists wanna join him just because of this... Before 9/11 he has no power and no fame..

Brother Oz · 02-20-2007, 06:12 PM

He did do some bombings before, for example he organised the bombing of the American embassy in Kenya in 1998. But you're right, it is possible that he didn't do 9/11, and just took the credit.

Public_Enemy · 02-20-2007, 07:59 PM

It is not a fact , just a possiblety but when Polices investigate a murder, they never care how it looks, first of all they check who is the beneficial ...
muslims ? no , M.East ? no, Afghans ? no , Saddam ? hell no

Fox · 02-20-2007, 08:04 PM

^--EDIT: Who ~did~ benifit from 9/11? If the aim was to attack capitalism, I can think of a half-dozen better targets. If they wanted to hurt the government, they were way off too. So far as an offensive operation goes, the 9/11 attack was purely psychological and did little to accomplish any of the Islamic Extremists stated objectives.

My main point is that his sole role is that of a scapegoat; whether he exists or not is immaterial. And as for people seeing him... I haven't met him, have you? Most of the media outlets ~I~ have access to are controlled by one of two corporations, and God knows I can't trust them. It's a conspiracy theory... all conspiracy theories involve organizations being far more competent than reality allows along with a remarkable leap of faith/suspension of belief.

I was kind of young at the time and got most of my info from the 24hr. News Networks (that have notoriously poor reporting) but I seem to remember them reporting that Osama did it ~before~ the tape was released, and hearing them say that the OBL tape confirmed what they thought they knew.

It's not like the tape would be all that hard to fake. Personally, I'm of the opinion that Al Qaeda, like virtually every other terrorist organization throughout history--is far less potent than they would have us believe.

If Bush really wants to invade Iran, the next OBL movie will ~deffintely~ have some random rocks that can be POSITIVELY linked to Iran... who knows.

Brother Oz · 02-20-2007, 09:31 PM

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It's not like the tape would be all that hard to fake. Personally, I'm of the opinion that Al Qaeda, like virtually every other terrorist organization throughout history--is far less potent than they would have us believe.

I agree, after all they haven't really done anything since, but I still think they were behind 9/11. They did benefit from it, symbolically. It (and the pentagon which they also tried to do) were the perfect symbols of western power.

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If Bush really wants to invade Iran, the next OBL movie will ~deffintely~ have some random rocks that can be POSITIVELY linked to Iran... who knows.

Now I suppose that would show it... since Bin Laden and Al Quaeda hate Iran, and Iran's leadership hate them. Al Quaeda is a Sunni organisation.

africanhope · 02-21-2007, 06:51 AM

I once considerd faking a phote o Osama Bin Laden infront of the PResidential Palace in Zimbabe hugging Mugabe. Still do actually. I'll send it to the CIa as soon as I can

Slartibartfas · 02-21-2007, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Brother Oz

The reason 9/11 was blamed on him was because he went on TV and said he did it.
He has a whole, high-profile family who admit he exists, and that he's a terrorist. Many people have met him.
If it's a conspiracy, it's a damn good one. I really don't think the CIA are anywhere near competent enough to construct such a ruse.
That's not to say that they don't exaggerate his power to scare people, or not put much effort into capturing him so that he can remain a figure of fear. But there's far too much evidence that there is a Saudi called Osama bin Laden who trained terrorists for him to be a complete fabrication.

Yes Osama bin Laden exists, if he lives is another question. But honestly, does that still matter?

Al Quaida and Osama have already been transformed years ago into an abstract central enemy, that represents the as abstract term "international terrorism".

This phenomene with the thousands of movements with at least as many goals and motivations lack the emotional feature The enemy of the US of A (or the west in general) has to face. Its too complicated, a marketing specialist would simply tell you, that you cant sell it to the public. To complex, unclear, far too many greys (not only black/white)

Osama bin Laden exists, but factually he is for the Western propaganda far far more important than for the islamic terrorists.

Kazikli Bey · 07-11-2007, 03:29 AM

I think that basically what Fox is saying is OBL has become similar to Emmanuel Goldstein from '1984'(though without any of his good qualities). It doesn't matter whether he lives or not, just so long as that everything is blamed on him and the fear campaign continues.