I am familiar with the case, and completely respect you bringing your case outcome, but what is it supposed to bring to the table? it still doesn't not say that all of science disproves Intelligent design, when it is an actual fact that they are gravitating toward it. It just said one school board would allow it to be unchallenged, which isn't fair int he first place because -- evolution is a theory, on that basis alone it shouldn't be taught as an absolute, yet it is.

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"If it is new, it cannot be truth... and if it is truth, it can not be new" -anon

I'm getting in this thread pretty late, but after reading the first page I have a question. If you've already answered it, please forgive me and answer it anyways.

That darn republican,

Do you believe that fossils were put on earth by the devil to fool humans into thinking that there is no god? I only ask because I've had someone tell me this before.

Thanks.

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Ayn Rand, Anthem.

What on Earth are you arguing against? Evolution or the Big Bang? Are you talking about that on earth, the electric storms mixed with carbon compounds and water vapors in the air created proteins and amino acids (which has been replicated numorous times in labs). Those proteins and acids formed randomly into different "beings" and those beings that weren't able to gather the energy to remain whole, disolved back into its basic componets, the others stayed solid and were eventually joined to others to form cells, than evolution thats place and goes from there.

If you think that nothing can never make something, do some research on the Zero Point Energy, the Casimir Effect, and the Lamb Shift. Even in a complete vacuum, there is energy. Particles are constantly "popping" in and out of exsistance.

It isn't taught as an absolute, it is taught as this is what scietists currently believe and this is what makes the most sense, it best descripes what we are seeing in the world.

The point why this argument regarding Hitler is so weak is because he actually did what he did not because of what he believed as catholic, but because of "rationality" according to the scientific theory of social darwinism.

The Nazi ideology was a secular one. Hitler being Catholic by name or not.

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OK I'll concede that point but he led the party therefore they were under the guidance of a nominal catholic and many of the perpetrators of the actual acts were practising christians. I will look for the absolute details in due course. Right now, have to concentrate on Ancient Rome.

I think there are two major flaws in that line of argumentation:

1. A scientific theory does not have to cover everything to be a respected and valid theory. For example there exists no single theory explaining all molecular forces, but a bunch of theories. So the logic that when the evolutionary could not explain the beginning of life, it would be disproven as theory for the development of life is not rational.

2. Regarding the beginning of life. I lack knowledge how this field of life science is called actually but I am sure it has its own name as well. Well, thats not my point, my point is that life did not came out of nothing. Before life there was lots of nice stuff around like amino acids, carbohydrates, nucleoacids, fat acids, detergents etc..
The preconditions where there...

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Actually if you are looking for a nazi religion you are looking at the wrong place. There was an Nazi controlled protestant church in the protestant regions of the Reich. But I know to little about it, I think they overdid it and it failed at the resistance of the believers... but dont hang me if I am wrong about it.

One thing is for sure, there were those believers who where enthusiastic nazis, but on the other side, you had a nice number of believers who opposed it or at least silently opposed it due to their catholicism. My Grand-Grand-Grandmother actually voted against the Anschluss in 1938... That was a referendum where everyone voted yes as it was irrational to risk troubles in a referendum that won't change anything anyway. (99% yes or so was the result therefore). She voted still no as she said Hitler came straight out of hell... yes, I guess it was her high age and the fact that she lived on the country side that saved her from troubles....

Anyway, what I wanted to say, a very large part of those few who revolted against the regime did so with a religious background... probably because the others preferred to not risking their lifes, for something that looks pretty hopeless to succeed in.

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You are perfectly correct.
Creationists say that God created day and night before he created the sun, although how this was possible? The planets are thought to be 4.5 billion years old, somewhat older than the 5000-odd years that creationists will have us believe.
Now because we tend to think of evolution in relation to this, we tend to think that the first life on the planet was something sentient that could manipulate its environment. This is one of the things that creationists argue about. But that is not the case, the very first spark of life was probably something like a microvirus that evolved and transformed in its evolution. Again I will refer to the book I am working on. It is not yet ready for parts to be quoted here. Once it is I will show it to you and we can debate the content - I will be very happy to listen to arguments. Give me two weeks, exams will be done then I'll be working

OK thanks for that input. I am going to do the research though to find the connections to the "Jesus killer" comment made to the Jews. I get like a dog with a bone, I'll have to find that connection