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Old 10-17-2007, 06:53 PM
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I am in no position to say if it really makes us fitter or not. Who says it has to? But the genes are definitely not spreaded totally randomly. Thats clearly not the case. As I said, we dont choose our partners randomly. And for a good reason, and the reason is not called "free will".

Even though we changed the rules in the last 100 years (a nearly nonexistent short time in terms of evolution btw) substantially, there is still a separation of genes. I am not studying that, but if it only means that the low classes of society spread their genes more than the higher one. That might make us fitter or not, who knows, but it definitely changes the gene pool...
True there isn't anything that makes one "fitter" than anyone else. I'm not saying that this is what I believe, but it is about as close as an example as one can get without going too far into PC statements.

If you have 100 men, 50 are highly capible, intellegent, healthy, able to make wise decision for the future, and all that jazz. The other 50 are...let us say Al Bundy, the far end of the spectrum. If the laws of evolution applied to humans, the lower 50 would produce less kids than the upper 50, to allow the "more fit for the enviroment" to succede genetically. But that is not true, the lower 50 usually have more children than the upper 50. Genes get mixed like crazy, but the "poorly working" genes don't get tossed out by failure and the "most fit" genes don't succede. So the process of evolution can't take hold.
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Old 10-17-2007, 07:29 PM
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If a scientist goes to the bathroom and wipes their rear. Is the crap on that toilet paper a scientific sample just because it came from a scientist? Just the same with their claims... just because they advocate a given thing doesn't make it so. Evolution is simply the creation story for secular minds... that is all.

It might be useful to know that roughyl 5% of scientists support creationism, and roughly 45% support ID. This is up from about fifteen years ago when the combined total of ID and Creation supporters was roughly 5%. Evolution is a good theory, but it just doesn't hold up as anything more than a theory.
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Old 10-17-2007, 07:36 PM
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It might be useful to know that roughyl 5% of scientists support creationism, and roughly 45% support ID. This is up from about fifteen years ago when the combined total of ID and Creation supporters was roughly 5%. Evolution is a good theory, but it just doesn't hold up as anything more than a theory.
You did not even attempt to give a reference, and that’s useless to do if your using statistics.
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Old 10-17-2007, 11:44 PM
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It might be useful to know that roughyl 5% of scientists support creationism, and roughly 45% support ID. This is up from about fifteen years ago when the combined total of ID and Creation supporters was roughly 5%. Evolution is a good theory, but it just doesn't hold up as anything more than a theory.
I saw that study; I'm fairly certain the 45% group supported theistic evolution, not ID... huge difference. Many scientists don't see Intelligent Design as real science. The majority (55%) of polled scientists believed in naturalistic evolution.
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