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Old 09-28-2007, 05:28 AM
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i compleatly belive that there is intellige
nt life on other planets. the only thing i question is if there is "intelligent" life on earth
My sentiments exactly.
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Old 09-28-2007, 11:03 AM
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The technic of system in flying, could be change soon.
I find new technology of Japanese by Minami Yosinary here.
http://blogs.yahoo.co.ip/step-7846/51991880.html
He is member of Astronaut in Japan, NASABPP, The British Interplanetory Society. He got the brevet #2936858 on accelation system of flying espace with electro-magnetic energy without oil or any polution, can make speed of light.
If we can be calme, there are many high technics in science already.
Also it will be more developping than now.
To use of it without polutions in world.
So, wake up for understanding more!
Also, in unvers, there are many exoplanets like earth condition(have water, air, good weather, possible having plants...) even in our galaxies.
The link doesn't work, and I don't trust scientific findings out of a blog on yahoo. Scientists can't even get a single partical to reach the speed of light (got very close though, 99.999% there). Special Relativity, which has be tested and proven in most aspects, states the impossiblity of reaching the speed of light. The closer you get the harder it becomes to accelerate.
And even it you could reach the speed of light, the nearest star (besides our sun) is four light years away, meaning that it would be a four year venture at the speed of light to get there. This limit greatly restricts our ability to visit other worlds, or for other worlds to visit us.
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Old 09-28-2007, 03:15 PM
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And even it you could reach the speed of light, the nearest star (besides our sun) is four light years away, meaning that it would be a four year venture at the speed of light to get there. This limit greatly restricts our ability to visit other worlds, or for other worlds to visit us.
Why always your thought depend on your ability?
I am not scientist, but I don't ask that to all my knowledges of science.
But I don't deny which I don't know well either.
Mr. Minami Yoshinari found some energy, is not wrong and it exist.
But that is not a question, just I say we don't need closed all the other theories that can not understand well. That's up to your connaissance for only you, and some one can find more.
Example, only 50years ago, we never did imagin that we can speak each other like in this forum, are'nt you?
Anyway for us, it's very far perhaps.
one hundred years ago, we never imagin we can have some vitess like nowadays.
It should need open mind & eyes.
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Old 09-28-2007, 04:10 PM
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Why always your thought depend on your ability?
I am not scientist, but I don't ask that to all my knowledges of science.
But I don't deny which I don't know well either.
Mr. Minami Yoshinari found some energy, is not wrong and it exist.
But that is not a question, just I say we don't need closed all the other theories that can not understand well. That's up to your connaissance for only you, and some one can find more.
Example, only 50years ago, we never did imagin that we can speak each other like in this forum, are'nt you?
Anyway for us, it's very far perhaps.
one hundred years ago, we never imagin we can have some vitess like nowadays.
It should need open mind & eyes.
It sounds like you're saying that because I trust science that has been supported by tests for almost the last 100 years over imagination, I'm provincial.

I'm just saying that before we begin speculating about the other planets in other solar systems and life on them, we should try to find a way to get there to actually observe if there's life, rather than just dreaming about it.

Why do we think that it is impossible to go beyong the speed of light? Because nothing that we have every created in any lab, or observed anywhere in the natural world has done. Positrons, Quarks, Neutrinos, Dark matter (still has some digging to do), or anything else can't do it.

Maybe there's something hiddin in Dark Matter that might led us to an answer. That's what a lot of Scientists hope. But research is horribly slow and we are still try to isolate it, let alone do high tech experiments on it.
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It sounds like you're saying that because I trust science that has been supported by tests for almost the last 100 years over imagination, I'm provincial.

I'm just saying that before we begin speculating about the other planets in other solar systems and life on them, we should try to find a way to get there to actually observe if there's life, rather than just dreaming about it.

Why do we think that it is impossible to go beyong the speed of light? Because nothing that we have every created in any lab, or observed anywhere in the natural world has done. Positrons, Quarks, Neutrinos, Dark matter (still has some digging to do), or anything else can't do it.

Maybe there's something hiddin in Dark Matter that might led us to an answer. That's what a lot of Scientists hope. But research is horribly slow and we are still try to isolate it, let alone do high tech experiments on it.
perhaps were looking at it from the wrong angle,or at least overthinking, maybe we dont need to break the speed of light, basically were trying to travel through nothing, there has to be a way to get from one point of nonethingness to another point without traveling the distance inbetween
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Old 09-28-2007, 06:38 PM
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Time space and gravity are either independent things, or they are one. Matter effects space/time/gravity, that much we know. Why can’t we someday manipulate these forces to get to where were going? And if we do, the chance that we will not find life is astronomical.

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Old 09-29-2007, 11:34 AM
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Special Relativity, which has be tested and proven in most aspects, states the impossiblity of reaching the speed of light. The closer you get the harder it becomes to accelerate.
The speed of light (c) is invariant in a vacuum. Nothing within our universe (information, energy, mass, fields) can surpass this cosmic limit. This caveat however, does not apply to the fabric of the universe. The expansion of the universe itself can thus exceed (c).

According to the laws of relativity, certain transformations occur and become more pronounced the faster an object is moving. Size is reduced, mass increases, and time dilates (moves slower). Thus, as an object moves closer to (c) it acquires an ever increasing mass. At (c) this mass becomes infinite. Because of this facet of relativity, an object would require more energy than exists in the universe to acquire a speed > (c).

Hope this primer helps
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Old 09-29-2007, 08:54 PM
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perhaps were looking at it from the wrong angle,or at least overthinking, maybe we dont need to break the speed of light, basically were trying to travel through nothing, there has to be a way to get from one point of nonethingness to another point without traveling the distance inbetween
Exactly, most great thinking scientists nowadays agree that time and space can be bent, punctured, and therefore traversed. But science has a lot to learn, there may be other ways.
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Old 10-01-2007, 01:01 PM
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Exactly, most great thinking scientists nowadays agree that time and space can be bent, punctured, and therefore traversed. But science has a lot to learn, there may be other ways.
I grant you that this is undenable, but this "teleportation" so far only exsists on a quantum level, where the rules of science break down. Scientists first need to figure out that link. Why are there two sets of rules, one for the very small (Quantum Mech) and one for the large (General Relativity). That link has plagued scientists for decades, Einstien even worked on it for a great portion of the end of his life.

After we find the connection, we have to find out how to minipulate it to make it do what we want. So the argument that it could be possible is undenable. It's too earily to say flat out that it is impossible.
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Old 10-01-2007, 01:19 PM
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Maybe we already have aliens living among us, we just don't recognise them. I've met some very odd people that I am convinced are not of this world.
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