Su 30 MKM vs F15 and F18??? - Political Forum

3v3r1ast · #1 (**permalink**) 05-26-2007, 12:07 PM

Su 30 MKM vs F15 and F18???Can any one tel me which going to win.

Sebelius for VP, not Hillary · #2 (**permalink**) 05-26-2007, 01:57 PM

Oh cool, you're from Malaysia. Welcome aboard.

That's a really tough match. I think the upgraded flanker is more maneuverable than the F-18. Let's look at the avionics of the SU-30 MKM and also let's compare the missiles of that each plane uses. That might give us a better idea which will win.

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Sebelius for VP, not Hillary · #3 (**permalink**) 05-26-2007, 02:03 PM

Have a look at this site.

F/A-18 Hornet

I think that in a dogfight the F-18 would carry 4 AMRAAM's and 4 Sidewinders. I THINK that Russia has longer range missiles, but they are slower. Not sure though.

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Public_Enemy · #4 (**permalink**) 05-26-2007, 03:01 PM

Russians have radar range disadvantage, so F18 can finish off the job with a BVR missile without further engagement, but in a dog fight my bet for Flanker.

Sebelius for VP, not Hillary · #5 (**permalink**) 05-26-2007, 03:30 PM

Are you just generalizing on all Russian radars, or are you talking specifically about the Su-30MK. Bear in mind, the Su-30MK are specially upgraded with special avionics for foreign export.

Public_Enemy · #6 (**permalink**) 05-26-2007, 03:57 PM

Yeah, you might right about that, but it still can't match AESA radars.

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Phazotron Zhuk radar which can follow 10 targets and lock-on on 3 at a range of 60 miles.

Aviation Week and Space Technology (AW&ST), 2000/02/07

The maximal effective tracking range of the fighters for RCS = 1m2 target:

* F/A-22: 200 km
* JSF: 160 km
* F-15C (AN/APG-63 V2): 144 km
* F-18E (AN/APG-79): 128 km
* F-16E (AN/APG-80): 112 km
* F-15C (AN/APG-63): 96 km

Sebelius for VP, not Hillary · #7 (**permalink**) 05-26-2007, 04:08 PM

I thought Russia had some AESA radars now. I admit that radars are not my strong suit.

AESA is Aerial Electronically Scanned Array, right? That's a radar composed of like 100 different small radars that send out radio emmissions at different wavelenghts. The Zhuk isn't AESA?

Public_Enemy · #8 (**permalink**) 05-26-2007, 04:16 PM

Yes, it is AESA too , I think I underestimated this new Zhuk, it looks really very capable... I was in IDEF 2007 defense industry fair yesterday, I visit Raytheon's stand, I think I was still in their influence , they talk a lot about their AESA's superiority

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Zhuk-AE can detect aerial targets at ranges up to 130 km (head on) in both look-up or look down modes.

Su-30 Mk also has almost all modern avionics like helmet mounted cueing system..

Sebelius for VP, not Hillary · #9 (**permalink**) 05-26-2007, 04:47 PM

Well one thing is that I think there is a great difference in avionics between the original Su-27SK Flanker and the new versions of Flanker. The new versions of Flanker (that are produced in any significant numbers) are the:

Su-27SM (for Russia)
Su-30MK (for China, India, Indonesia and others)

What is the radar on the Su-27SK?

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Public_Enemy · #10 (**permalink**) 05-26-2007, 04:55 PM

I found something about it.

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The Su-27SK is equipped with a Phazotron N001 Zhuk coherent pulse Doppler radar with track-while-scan and look-down/shoot-down capability. The range of the radar against 3-square-metre targets is over 100km in the forward hemisphere and 40km in the rear hemisphere. The radar has the capacity to search, detect and track up to ten targets with automatic threat assessment and proritisation.
The aircraft has an OEPS-27 electro-optic system, which includes an infrared search-and-track (IRST) sensor collimated with a laser rangefinder. The range of the electro-optical system is 40-100km, depending on the aspect angle presented by the target.