top gun

yhwhluver

Yeah, there should have been an exit strategy. I think there was, but it was shot to pieces when we went in and plowed right to Baghdad. We didn't plan it being so easy to get there. The infiltration was a huge success. The stabilization, not so much.

Just some more reports about WMD's, particularly chemical weapons, in Iraq:
FOXNews.com - Report: Hundreds of WMDs Found in Iraq - U.S. Senate
http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/...classified.pdf
Chemical Weapons Programs - Iraq Special Weapons Facilities
WorldNetDaily: More chemical weapons in Iraq
Secret bunkers held chemical weapons, says Iraqi exile - Iraq - www.theage.com.au
Hundreds of chemical weapons found in Iraq: US intelligence
Chemical Weapons in Iraq at Sgt Stryker
Instapundit.com -
Iraq's Chemical Weapon Program

Ok, I'll stop now.

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presluc

Well, I can't say I blame anybody for not wanting to get in this shit.
It is still my beleif, and I have said this before,If we had an alternitive fuel source to oil.
I don't think the trouble in the middle east would be so troublesome.
After all weapons cost money, without the oil sales well??
What they gonna sell freindship ha!, maybe dates or sand castles huh?

presluc

Uh, not to be pickey,but I notice Fox news in those links, is this the same drum beating network that stood firm behind the plan to have a pre- emtive strike against Iraq, is this the network that called a vietnam vet a coward cause he didn't agree with the Iraq situation.AND ISN'T THIS THE NETWORK THAT LAUNCHED TONY SNOW'S careear all the way to WHITE HOUSE NEWS SECRETARY.

Hershy

I have always believed that America has the responsibility to help those who can't help themselves, When we were trying to become a free country other countries helped us. Iraq was in need and we are helping, just because the news focuses on the bad ,(because that's what people want to see), doesn't mean there isn't a lot of good being done. People die during war, but letting them die and then giving up and letting the deaths mean nothing is a worse tragedy then the death itself. The other thing to remember here is that we don't have a draft, our soldiers are volunteers they joined for the education but knew the risks if war broke out. Just like police know the risk in our cities, should we pull them out too? I love this country and this world, we should protect both.

top gun

There's a big difference between the Colonies wanting to break away from Great Britain and getting some outside help to do so and invading & occupying a country that we were never asked by any major group inside that country to do.

A more accurate analogy would be if England would have come over here and played "World Police" between the North & the South during our own Civil War.

You have to keep in mind. The vast majority of people in Iraq do not want us there. Sure the handful of government leaders, their friends & families we've helped put in place want us there... we're their unpaid bodyguards. And even in that Parliament itself 6 just dropped out in the last couple days because the US will not set a time to leave and hand them back over their own country... just watched it on the news yesterday.

The all volunteer military v. draft is another HUGE problem we're staring down the barrel of. New enlistments are plummeting. As soldiers are killed or wounded or on their 3rd or 4th tour and the majority of our Reserve units have already been called up things will get unbelievably bad the longer this thing plays out. Many that might consider joining won't right now during war time because they know they'll be almost immediately deployed. Plus with all the soldiers that are deployed employment opportunities are better than ever here at home.

Bottom line to me is this is Israel & The Palestinians all over again. It's a centuries old religious feud and if we stay another day or another 10,000 days when we leave it will be the same until one group either wins or they decide to divide the country. We don't need more US deaths and US tax money gone to wait and figure that out.

If we truly wanted to help somebody that was defenseless we should be over in Darfur stopping that slaughter. That's an example of one side having all the power and the weak needing help. In Iraq we have 2 equally armed, equally dangerous religious groups that spend their day shooting at us when they can't find each other. THE US WON THIS LONG AGO... time to come home to a VICTORY PARTY and let the locals settle their own religious disputes for power.

yhwhluver

Presluc, they're not all Fox News. There are other links there. The second one is a government document on Fox News' website.

Top gun, by your argument of going over there without being asked, why should we go to Darfur? They haven't asked us.

In Iraq, there were slaughters of people, and we went in and stopped that.

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presluc

Well, first of all where was this resonsibilty in the first Iraq war according to what I hear Iraqis were ready to overthrow Suddam then?
Second of all I've always said and will continue to say this "Stay The Course", "Let's have a Surge" shit ain't working.
If some thing don't work you try something else.
That old saying "if it ain't broke don't fix it" goes both ways cause if" IT IS BROKE YOU GOTTA DO SOMETHING."

presluc

My bad, but I figure if the commentaters of Fox news can accuse the networks that don't agree with them as "liberal controled media".
Well I say that goes both ways everbody that agrees with O RIELLY and that bunch must be "neocon controled"