withdraw troops?????? - Page 2 - Political Forum

SuchAMadWorld · #11 (**permalink**) 03-27-2007, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Troianii

Oi, oi, oi! Why does politics have to be so political?

go be fucking stupid somewhere else.

Brother Oz · #12 (**permalink**) 03-27-2007, 05:06 PM

Or bribe the admin.

Алекс · #13 (**permalink**) 03-27-2007, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Brother Oz

And do you live in Iraq either? What makes you think they're so happy.

Personally, I think the decision to withdraw troops should not be up to the coalition governments. If Iraq is a free and sovereign state as is claimed, then the government of Iraq should be deciding whether western troops should stay or leave. Their plan is to send coalition troops home as and when they have trained Iraqi army forces to replace them, so we should support that.

No i don't but i'm also not cliaming things that i don't have any evidence to support my opinions.

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March 19, 2007 -- On the eve of tomorrow's fourth anniversary of the Iraq war, a new poll finds that most Iraqis believe life is better for them now than under Saddam Hussein.

And contrary to the beliefs of many analysts, most Iraqis do not feel their country is engulfed in civil war, the survey reveals.

Though opinion is divided along sectarian lines, only 27 percent think there is a civil war, compared with 61 percent who don't.

But more than half say security will improve after coalition forces withdraw.

The poll, conducted last month among 5,019 Iraqis, was released yesterday.

It was done by Opinion Research Business, a British market research firm that said it was the largest poll since coalition troops entered Iraq on March 20, 2003. The survey finds that 26 percent of Iraqis have had a family member murdered.

In addition, 14 percent have had a relative, friend or colleague abducted.

And 35 percent of those living in the capital said a family member had fled abroad.

Still, 49 percent said they preferred life under Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki to living under Saddam. And only 27 percent said their country is in a civil war.

The figures break down along sectarian lines: 41 percent of Sunnis believe the country is in a civil war, compared to 15 percent of Shiites

Sorry about the no link.

That said i must disagree with you. If Iraq had control over when coalition foreces came and left then they could keep us there forever. By having the option to withdraw when we choose it pushes them to prepare their forces.

top gun · #14 (**permalink**) 03-27-2007, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Алекс

Ok you want someone's opinion who's willing to die in Iraq fine for this fight so be it but tell where are you? Iraq? Middle East? Or are you sitting on your couch watching cnn? Did you know most Iraqi's don't think there's a civil war? Did you know that most think their lives are better now under Hussein? This war won't end the same no matter what! If we stay there long enough for the Iraqi army to be ready to take control than they will be able to keep things together and we can leave Iraq as an ally instead of the root of all evil or whatever the terrorists think of us.

Well you can see in my title bar I'm in Ohio, USA. My uncle served under General Patton in WW2. He used to talk about how everyone called Patton "Old Blood and Guts". He'd say sure but it was our blood... his guts! My father served in Korea. I was in high school when the draft stopped for Vietnam. And yes I have a couch and I watch CNN... damn good station. I also have a brain and can tell when the big lie has played out.

Don't believe any of your assumptions on Iraq being so great with us there right now or that the people love having us.

Don't care about the personal problems in Iraq. We went over for WMD's (lie)... to get Hussein (did)... not to Nation Build. America can't afford it and its taxpayers shouldn't have to.

Iraq as an ally strategically helping us against Muslims be it terrorists or not and giving us cheap oil because we're their buddies... COME ON! How many more America soldiers are you willing to sacrifice for this Alice in Wonderland mind set?

top gun · #15 (**permalink**) 03-27-2007, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Brother Oz

And do you live in Iraq either? What makes you think they're so happy.

Personally, I think the decision to withdraw troops should not be up to the coalition governments. If Iraq is a free and sovereign state as is claimed, then the government of Iraq should be deciding whether western troops should stay or leave. Their plan is to send coalition troops home as and when they have trained Iraqi army forces to replace them, so we should support that.

I can respect that opinion but I just don't think it's realistic due to where we are. Try to understand that the problem is the government that we have propped up will always want us as free security guards. The people... well they just want to kill each other and jockey for power like they have for a thousand years. And this is draining our Treasury for things our country really needs here at home. I hope everyone remembers. When the big tax increases come it was the Republican occupation in Iraq... not the Dems that caused it to happen.

SuchAMadWorld · #16 (**permalink**) 03-27-2007, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by neorealist234

go double post somewhere else too.

STFU newbie...you have to earn the right to talk s!@# here

i only double posted because when i posted the first time it made a new page. and i thought it lagged so i posted the same stuff. nubkake i forgive you.

Алекс · #17 (**permalink**) 03-27-2007, 06:04 PM

I've never defended the reasons we went over there i know what was said in the beginning was a lie(or are intellagence system is just that fucked up). But leaveing now, leaving Iraq a mess with no hope? NO! We made a mess when we went over there. Made PLENTY of mistakes but we didn't go there to destory the country and we shouldn't leave until we've cleaned up our own mess. I don't want to sacrifice any American soldiers but the fact remians mistakes were made that brought us there (don't lable me as a supporter of bush he has nothing to do with why i believe this) but we can't leave until theres some hope of an Iraq that won't destory itself. How many women and childern would you sacrifice for American taxpayers to stop paying for this war? 100,000? 300,000? 500,000? 1,000,000?

Brother Oz · #18 (**permalink**) 03-27-2007, 06:41 PM

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If Iraq had control over when coalition forces came and left then they could keep us there forever.

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the government that we have propped up will always want us as free security guards.

In theory, but that's not what's happening in practice. The government was elected, and they know that the coalition troops are unpopular. If they keep them, they're risking losing the next election.
What is actually happening is that the Iraqis are letting our troops withdraw as they have Iraqis to replace them. This has already started, in many places in the country coalition troops no longer operate, they've been replaced by Iraqis.

dahermit · #19 (**permalink**) 03-27-2007, 07:32 PM

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Ok you want someone's opinion who's willing to die in Iraq fine for this fight so be it but tell where are you? Iraq? Middle East? Or are you sitting on your couch watching cnn? Did you know most Iraqi's don't think there's a civil war? Did you know that most think their lives are better now under Hussein? This war won't end the same no matter what! If we stay there long enough for the Iraqi army to be ready to take control than they will be able to keep things together and we can leave Iraq as an ally instead of the root of all evil or whatever the terrorists think of us.

There are no Iraqis in Iraq. There are however, Kurds, Shiites, and Sunni Muslims. It is more of a American concept that factions must combine in a melting pot. We are after a fashion, trying to force our ideals on diverse peoples who have been killing each other for centuries. Perhaps the talk ought to be of allowing the country to form as we were at first, a confederation of independent states.

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Did you know most Iraqi's don't think there's a civil war? Did you know that most think their lives are better now under Hussein?

You must be sitting in YOUR chair watching Fox news. Can you show some proof for these facts? The latest poll I heard of was that 68% of them want us out.

SuchAMadWorld · #20 (**permalink**) 03-27-2007, 11:00 PM

but we cant pull out we have fucked up everything over there,and we are not going to leave untill we unfuck it.