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Originally Posted by bhkad
The Muslim Bro's are the wellspring of Sunni terrorism; the Iranians are the folks behind Shiite suicide bombers.
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What's wrong with that? It should be obvious.
There's no such thing as a "Shiite suicide bomber."
Sunni Islam is akin to Protestantism. It's rich and varied ranging from big city McIslam (just like McChurch) to rural Islamic Paganism (just like the country christian congregations that speak in tongues or play with snakes).
Shi'a Islam is akin to catholicism without a pope, more like Eastern Orthodoxy. Unlike the Sunni, the Shi'a have saints, shrines and relics. Just as the catholics and the Eastern Orthodox believe it to be a moral sin to commit suicide, so too do the Shi'a believe it to be a sin to commit suicide.
Your suicide bombers, the ones who strap explosives to their bodies and blow themselves up in market places are Sunnis, not Shi'a. While a suicide bomber did attack a Shi'a marketplace recently, I see no evidence that the bomber was a Shi'a.
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Zbigniew Brzezinski himself has been hotly denying the Carter Administration's plain responsibility for bringing the Mullahs to power in 1979 -- people who have been drilled from early childhood to hate us as corrupt infidels, and who were very, very clear about it to their followers before they ever came to power. Apparently nobody in the Carter foreign policy apparatus did the most basic research on Ayatollah Khomeini, like reading his writings or listening to his sermons, which were circulating in Iranian bazaars on audio cassettes. Evidently they just never bothered to check on this guy.
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Baseless, without merit and totally false. The person who wrote that crap doesn't know their head from a hole in the ground. 11 months before the "revolution," the Shah approach Bill (Ambassador Bill Sullivan) and told him that he had pancreatic cancer and that he wished to abdicate and obtain a visa to enter the US for medical treatment.
Sullivan, using French and British contacts, began a back-door dialog with Khomeini's people. The talks progressed quite well and they were only weeks away from a face-to-face meeting between Sullivan and Khomeini.
The "revolution" started when the French, mystified by the US desire to communicate with Khomeini, correctly guessed that the Shah was abdicating and Khomeini was assuming power. The French wanted their man, another ayatollah, to gain power. A French DGSE agent leaked that info at a mosque in Tabriz and the "revolution" got underway.
Despite the fact that Carter, Brzezinski and jackass Gary Sick knew Sullivan was talking with Khomeini, Carter unwisely sent General Huygens to Iran to convince the Iranian military to take over the country in a coup. No one bothered to consult with Army Chief of Staff Al Haig, who lived in Iran and speaks Farsi, probably because Haig would have told them that the Iranian military was not up to the task.
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Oh, yes, and the Ayatollah got into a major war with Saddam Hussein, which killed a million people.
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A blatant lie.
It was Iraq who invaded Iran in order to seize land.
Also, (a little trivia) just before Iraq invaded Iran, Iraq nullified the treaty between Iran and Iraq that governed waterway rights in the Persian Gulf. Both the US and UK were fully aware of that fact, yet both insisted on using the null and void treaty as a basis to patrol the Persian Gulf and make claims that it was inside of Iraq's territorial limits so that it could harass Iranian ships.
If you remember the photograph of the GPS device in the helicopter, what it proved was that the UK violated international law by entering Iranian territorial waters.
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That's what the Jimmy Carterites achieved by enabling the Ayatollah to overthrow the Shah.
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As I pointed out, the Shah was abdicating because he had pancreatic cancer. The US denied him a visa and the Shah ended up dying in Egypt. Had Carter listened to Haig and Sullivan, the transition of power would have been smoother, there would have been less bloodshed, and while Khomeini may have publicly berated and criticized the US, behind closed doors he would have been a staunch ally of the US. If that sounds duplicitous, no one was more so than Kissinger.
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the regime is bound to become a liberal dream as soon as it gets nukes. Any day now.
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Another blatant lie.
Iran has been experimenting with nuclear energy since 1974.
The Iranians spent years studying a variety of separation techniques. For example, between 1997 and 2004 the Iranians studied laser separation techniques. In 2004, the Iranians began studying a modified version of the gas centrifuge separation technique that they had previously spent several years studying beginning in 1982.
The sole source of information for the alleged nuclear weapons program has been the MEK. The MEK is a terrorist group formed in the late 1960s which attempted to over throw the Shah, then later the ayatollahs. The MEK was on the US State Department Terrorist Watch List because the MEK had killed Americans during terrorist attacks.
The MEK was removed from the terrorist watch list in 2004 at the request of Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld so that the US could give the MEK tax payer dollars to interrogate Iraqi prisoners, and yes that was reported on all mainstream media outlets (let us ponder how an Iranian who speaks Farsi might be able to successfully interrogate an Iraqi who speaks Arabic or a Kurd who speaks Kurdish).
The MEK is also the "special operations group" that Seymour Hersch claims was "on the ground in Iran."
It takes 4-6 months and only basic knowledge of physics to assemble a single-gun uranium device. Iran has had over 25 years. If they were trying to make a nuclear weapon, they couldn't possibly go about it any slower.
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Originally Posted by AzTeK
I believe that nomatter what government is put into place with American help, it will be overthrown eventually. So we might just as well make that progression towards Iraqis self-determining their fate again as swift as possible by leaving already.
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The US has been in Iraq for 17 years, they aren't leaving anytime soon, especially since Iraq is a key territory for long-range US geo-strategic plans.
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