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02-29-2008, 04:12 AM
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Originally Posted by RonPaul2008
c. We're going to bring our troops home, close our bases and embassies, and peacefully co-exist as trading partners.
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Why would you want to close your embassies? That would be highly counter-productive and would probably even do some severe damage to trade relations.
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02-29-2008, 08:18 AM
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He and Jimmah thought the Ayatollah was like the Pope and so they made sure the Shah was booted out so the great Holy man could bring about God's laws in Iran.
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The Shah was a dictator, not so cruel as Khomeini but he was a dictator installed by the US after the CIA overthrowed Mossadegh. Then the US brought Khomeini into Iran, and now we have to get along with Ahmadinejad. And the US is complaining about Iran and Ahmadinejad? Absurd. The US should start to complain about its own policy one day.
The Islamic revolution happened because of the Shah. The Shah was a dictator, financed and supported by the West. The West supported the oppression of Iranians and the Iranians got angry one day, the US brought Khomeini into Iran and the revolution has happened.
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a. We've proven that we can kick your ass and turn your country upside down.
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Yeah, it proves that the NATO is a bunch of war criminals.
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b. We have the most advanced weaponry and the best nuclear bombs in the world.
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If you want peace prepare for peace, if you want war you will get war.
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c. We're going to bring our troops home, close our bases and embassies, and peacefully co-exist as trading partners.
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Why do you want to close embassies?
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d. But know this: If you ever mess with us, we're going to bomb all of your holy sites just for fun and let you be pissed about it for a week or so,
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And this makes sense in what way? The arm industry will have its fun, at least its money.
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then we're going to wipe your asses off the map.
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Ahmadinejad said this also.
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We're not going to have diplomatic discussions,
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Diplomacy is the most important kind of politics.
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we're not going to send in troops, we're not even going to let you know we know who you are. We're just going to push the big red button and that will be that.
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Do you want to drop an atom bomb?
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or how many innocents will be harmed in the process.
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You don't care if thousands of innocents have to die? This is no "process", it is massmurder.
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Enough is enough - you leave us alone, we'll leave you alone. You mess with us, we'll turn your whole region into an ash tray. If you have a problem with that, you better start policing your own and let them know we're serious.
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Uh, normally it is the West that "has to" interfere. It would interest me how you would talk about war, if you would be affected by it.
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02-29-2008, 08:21 AM
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Why would you want to close your embassies? That would be highly counter-productive and would probably even do some severe damage to trade relations.
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I would agree, you don't close your embassies but we should withdraw our military forces and only have embassies in nations where the People of those nations want our embassies. You shouldn't have to build a billion dollar fortress and provide 70,000 troops (endorsed by Clinton, Obama, and McCain) to secure an embassy in any nation. If the People of a nation don't want you in their country you should get the fuck out. An embassy is not required for diplomatic relations.
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03-03-2008, 01:58 PM
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If I was president of the United States here is what I would do about the middle east:
I would address the entire middle-east through the Al Jazeera network with the following (paraphrased) message:
a. We've proven that we can kick your ass and turn your country upside down.
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the whole world already knows tyrant when it sees one and surly you would fall
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b. We have the most advanced weaponry and the best nuclear bombs in the world.
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so who the fuck is really got weapons of mass destruction??? rock throwers or you
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c. We're going to bring our troops home, close our bases and embassies, and peacefully co-exist as trading partners.
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Your going to close your embassies and want to peacfully co- exist as trading partners after youve admitted that you have weapons of mass destruction bombed and killed innocents for what our oil? You came and stole it with your weapons you never wanted peace you just wanted peice of the oil pie hell you took the whole cake
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d. But know this: If you ever mess with us, we're going to bomb all of your holy sites just for fun and let you be pissed about it for a week or so, then we're going to wipe your asses off the map.
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you forget that in your own country their are muslims and yes that one action will spark a never ending war against your government you and your party will quickly be killed and the holy sites will be built back up but you will never be in power again
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We're not going to have diplomatic discussions, we're not going to send in troops, we're not even going to let you know we know who you are. We're just going to push the big red button and that will be that. We don't care about your religion, your cause, or how many innocents will be harmed in the process.
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In case you havent been paying attention this is happing now the troops are only for more ground support
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Enough is enough - you leave us alone, we'll leave you alone. You mess with us, we'll turn your whole region into an ash tray. If you have a problem with that, you better start policing your own and let them know we're serious.
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who the fuck went into iraq first???? who killed millions of people innocent people?? youve turned it into a ash tray already hell its your toliet bowl you can shit on it when ever you want because it has no defence system you are a real bully and history will record you as such, if you are so worried about weapons of mass destruction then go over to south korea or china why dont you fuck with them why ? because they will put a really good fight your actions is like a cowardly boxer who is a heavy weight and wants to fight featherweights and brags about knocking them out but once you have the opportunite to fight someone in your own weight class you turn chicken shit
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03-04-2008, 06:18 AM
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However, can anyone give a reason why the USA shouldnt pull out of Iraq? other than the Geneva Convention Article mandating an attacking force must stay until stabilisation is achieved?
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Some people believe that the US can somehow magically bring the Iraqis together to peacefully work toward a politicial solution by just hanging around a little longer, while IMO that is fallacy.
Kofi Annan himself stated that the invasion of Iraq "was not in conformity with the U.N. charter. From our point of view, from the charter point of view, it was illegal." which should be a clear indication that the US gives a shit about international law which includs the Geneva convention, which is only exacerbated by obvious affronts to it such as Guantanamo.
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03-04-2008, 07:26 AM
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Some people believe that the US can somehow magically bring the Iraqis together to peacefully work toward a politicial solution by just hanging around a little longer, while IMO that is fallacy.
Kofi Annan himself stated that the invasion of Iraq "was not in conformity with the U.N. charter. From our point of view, from the charter point of view, it was illegal." which should be a clear indication that the US gives a shit about international law which includs the Geneva convention, which is only exacerbated by obvious affronts to it such as Guantanamo.
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agreed i believe to let the Iraqis work it out themselves the usa is always fucking with other countries, Let these people set up their own government leave them alone.However if the democrat presedent was to pull out he would have already established a heavy USA presence in Iraq, the president of Iraq would be some one who the US would have put into that position. Like Saadam it would just be another one and if he or she disagrees with the us then they would most surly go in and kill again.The bankers must make their money!!!
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03-04-2008, 07:37 AM
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agreed i believe to let the Iraqis work it out themselves the usa is always fucking with other countries, Let these people set up their own government leave them alone.However if the democrat presedent was to pull out he would have already established a heavy USA presence in Iraq, the president of Iraq would be some one who the US would have put into that position. Like Saadam it would just be another one and if he or she disagrees with the us then they would most surly go in and kill again.The bankers must make their money!!!
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I believe that nomatter what government is put into place with American help, it will be overthrown eventually. So we might just as well make that progression towards Iraqis self-determining their fate again as swift as possible by leaving already.
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03-04-2008, 09:01 AM
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I say we pull out, leave them to it, wait for one side to win, declare their new leader a dictator, invade them and start the whole thing again.
The best exit strategy is a good entrance strategy.
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03-04-2008, 09:10 AM
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I say we pull out, leave them to it, wait for one side to win, declare their new leader a dictator, invade them and start the whole thing again.
The best exit strategy is a good entrance strategy.
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Haha, loving it  It sucks for the Iraqi people for sure, but for the rest of the world it would probably be the cheapest way...you'r right.
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03-04-2008, 11:25 AM
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Aye thanks
Thing is, no matter what happens, its gonna suck for the iraqis, theres just different levels of suckness.
I learnt that from a hooker in amsterdam.
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