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Old 02-14-2008, 07:13 AM
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Yes, there is such thing as international law.
Are you referring to cases under the jurisdiction of the World Court?

The US withdrew its membership and any decision by the World Court can be vetoed by one of the five permanent members of the UN Security Council. Hardly an unbiased judical system.

The fact is that what you refer to as international law really is not. If there were such a thing as international law it would most certainly outlaw the invasion of nations except in direct defense. Obviously the US violated such a provision repeatedly over the last 50 years. From Korea to Vietnam to the Gulf War the US has intervened militarily in wars that were not in the direct defense of the sovereignty of the United States.
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Old 02-14-2008, 10:21 PM
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This is a vast issue, but in essence, you seem to pick on the US, which is amongst the most reasonable of all countries, in this manner.

The power of the Islamic countries & their block managed to keep their genocide in Darfur out of sanctions & world review. (China’s interests within Sudan have a lot to do with it).

Israel was attacked from Lebanon, even though it stands on a border which was marked by the UN. This clearly illegal attack , and the kidnapping of Israeli soldiers (which are still held in Lebanon, with no red cross visits, in spite of UN decisions!).

So, yes, the Arabs deliberately & systematically disregard international law. Not the US.
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Old 02-15-2008, 02:15 AM
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Hmmmm... It seems to me that when we keep interfering with the internal affairs of Islamic nations, invading their sovereign nations on false pretenses, and flat out lies, propping up puppet regimes to insure our access to all that sweet, yummy, crude, unconditional support of Isreal commiting similar acts etc.etc, simply because we are the biggest kid on the block and they are little brown people who follow a heathren religion, etc. etc. It is not unreasonable to expect the people this is happening to are going to love us. If I were an Iranian watching the U.S., England, and whoever else they could bribe and/or threaten into joining them invade and occupy a neighboring country and install a puppet regime bows to the west and kisses Bush's ass right after praying to Mecca in the morning, I'd want my country to have nukes as well. And I suspect anyone else in that situation would feel the same. We need to get the hell out of Iraq where we had no business going in the first place. Let the insurgents and Sadyr's boys clean the grease off all the guns they stashed away after the surge and work out for themselves the govt. that will run the country. It will likely be a messy and painful experience, but so was our civil war. And since Bush cares so deeply about Iraqis, I'm certain he will be happy to spend plenty of money to help any displaced people and take in any refugeees, even if they aren't going to be able to give him any oil rights. And Isreal, being full of big boys can learn to handle their own affairs and problems. without our assistance. They absorb billions of dollars in aid from us and provide absolutly nothing in return but another excuse to meddle in the regions affairs. Sorry guys, we're having no small financial difficulties of our own. If you want all those neat little military toys our elves in their shops produce, you'll have to pay for them.
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Old 02-15-2008, 05:14 AM
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Hmmmm... It seems to me that when we keep interfering with the internal affairs of Islamic nations, invading their sovereign nations on false pretenses, and flat out lies, propping up puppet regimes to insure our access to all that sweet, yummy, crude, unconditional support of Isreal commiting similar acts etc.etc, simply because we are the biggest kid on the block and they are little brown people who follow a heathren religion, etc. etc. It is not unreasonable to expect the people this is happening to are going to love us. If I were an Iranian watching the U.S., England, and whoever else they could bribe and/or threaten into joining them invade and occupy a neighboring country and install a puppet regime bows to the west and kisses Bush's ass right after praying to Mecca in the morning, I'd want my country to have nukes as well. And I suspect anyone else in that situation would feel the same. We need to get the hell out of Iraq where we had no business going in the first place. Let the insurgents and Sadyr's boys clean the grease off all the guns they stashed away after the surge and work out for themselves the govt. that will run the country. It will likely be a messy and painful experience, but so was our civil war. And since Bush cares so deeply about Iraqis, I'm certain he will be happy to spend plenty of money to help any displaced people and take in any refugeees, even if they aren't going to be able to give him any oil rights. And Isreal, being full of big boys can learn to handle their own affairs and problems. without our assistance. They absorb billions of dollars in aid from us and provide absolutly nothing in return but another excuse to meddle in the regions affairs. Sorry guys, we're having no small financial difficulties of our own. If you want all those neat little military toys our elves in their shops produce, you'll have to pay for them.
Great post...the only thing I would add would be...

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Old 02-15-2008, 07:03 AM
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Back to the initial question:

Answer: US of A. No doubt. Just look at all wars (and covered ones) after WW#2.

Feel sorry for those lads in Saipan, natives, who had to join the *** **** to send a few (new Cheap) bucks back home.
I saw. I regret.
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Old 02-15-2008, 08:18 AM
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Back to the basics, if Peace is the opposite of War then it stands to reason that the country that engages in War the most is the biggest threat to Peace. By this criteria the US is the biggest threat to World Peace.

People can try to rationalize it by inferring that they were "good wars" but the fact is that they were wars and war is not peace.
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Old 02-15-2008, 08:27 AM
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Great post...the only thing I would add would be...

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DOH!
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Old 02-15-2008, 09:22 AM
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Back to the basics, if Peace is the opposite of War then it stands to reason that the country that engages in War the most is the biggest threat to Peace. By this criteria the US is the biggest threat to World Peace.

People can try to rationalize it by inferring that they were "good wars" but the fact is that they were wars and war is not peace.
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the big threat t o world peace is George Bush. he lie to american and th e world abaout war i n Irak. he want U.S. involv becuase of the oil.
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Old 02-16-2008, 12:51 AM
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You said “And Isreal, being full of big boys can learn to handle their own affairs and problems. without our assistance. They absorb billions of dollars in aid from us and provide absolutly nothing in return but another excuse to meddle in the regions affairs”

Bunch of meaningless rants, based on nothing.

Well, let’s see. The cold war is what brought about Israel-American relations to this level. Prior to heavy support & armament supply by the Soviets to Arab countries, America refused sale of arms to Israel.

Most of the support budget is money which is spent (rightly so!) within the US, to support local economy as well. Funny the writer does not mention US 2.5 billions per year support of Egypt… Unlike Israel, they have no enemies or existent ional threats. Yet they built a big modern army, which Americans fear will fall into the hands of the Muslim Brotherhood, the mother & father of AQ.

Israel’s successes in their wars, against the Soviet weaponry, supplied America with both intelligence information, and tactical information. It is still going on (Last Israeli air strike in Syria managed to overcome the latest Russian air defense systems) It enabled America to learn of the methods & tactics they are likely to tackle with the Soviet schooled armies around the world, and their weaponry.

There are many other relevant issues, but I think this will suffice, to demonstrate the true level of ignorance behind such meaningless rants.

Application of true knowledge is a problem for you guys, since it proves how invalid your political views are. Sorry.
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Old 02-16-2008, 01:09 AM
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Bunch of meaningless rants, based on nothing.

Application of true knowledge is a problem for you guys, since it proves how invalid your political views are. Sorry.
Hello pot, meet the kettle.
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