Violence creates violence.

The terrorism we fight is linked to the foreign affairs of the US.

I'm not shure if this words mean exactly what I want to express: Civil defense.

And because they don't refuse you think, "oh this is about prestige and revenge and they "force" us to do that, so we do it."

Yes, definitely.

Sophia mentioned it already. The CIA and the MI 6 overthrowed Mossadegh, a democratical elected premier and installed the regime of the Shah.
The US brought Khomenei into Iran and the Iranians came from smoke to smother.
Allende was overthrowed by the CIA also, was democratical elected and killed during the coup. The US brought Hussein to power and was a long time - as the Shah - the marionette. The US helped Iraq and lengthened the war in the gulf what meant the death of millions. Hussein and Bin Laden were both listed on the pay-roll of the CIA. Bin Laden was trained and financed by the CIA and the US created in Afghanistan a new ideology with the Mujahideen against the (atheist) Soviets. Pakistan is well known for its terrorists but it is your partner. I can't see any consequence. Western countries support extremists and dictators as long as they act in our interests. And then they turn against us. No politic of principles.

You support them as long as they play your marionette and sometimes they turn against you and then you invade the country. That's it.

WMDs? Where? The other way round; Bush gave the whole world the "casus belli" or name it propaganda.

No. The US wanted to democratize Iraq and a regime change, after Hussein didn't anymore what the US wanted.

For shure. But that doesn't make the war better.

First of all appeasement politic isn't pacifism. And secondly this were anticommunists who didn't put pressure on Hitler because they agreed with his "procedures" against communists and supported Hitler's idea to invade the USSR.

Well ok. You're right, I have to choose my position. Civil defense.

Military actions take a higher price than peaceful ones. So I would prefer always the peaceful one.
I just wanted to say that peaceful protest can work. Sometimes it wasn't successful and that has its reasons. But you could improve it and there are enough examples where it had worked.
By the way: A war is always lost.

That's not a moot point, it's a fact. Conscription and being shot as deserter...total war and the arm industry.

Ironically pacifists like Carl Ossietzky warned already in the Weimar Republic because of the "secret" remilitarization.

But okay, they had to be stopped.

Civil defense.

A democratic elected government of a country other than yours is not somthing you should "deal" with it at all.

The alternative to US military and CIA para-military involvement in the sovereign affairs of other nations is to not invade or occupy their countries and to not send the CIA in to sponsor and arm terrorist groups. We could even try closing the School of the Americas which trains terrorists.

In my lifetime, the USA has attacked Panama, Granada, Dominican Republic, Iraq (Gulf War II), and involved itself militarily in Korea, Afghanistan, Viet Nam, and Iraq (Gulf War I), Somalia. It has also threatened two countries with preemptive attack: Iran, North Korea.

No other country has been anywhere near this war-like.

i agree. not to mention wars that america has funded secretly. i love how these people say "i think islam is bad" and "i believe islamic fundamentalists are a threat" blah blah blah. NO YOU DONT! you believe what you are told to believe. its funny how your views coincide with mainstream pro bush rightwing party line media. no? . have you been to lebanon, iraq, iran, afghanistan, tajikistan? have you seen muslims bomb anyone/thing with your own eyes? to say you are right is to say we should start a war against christianity because timothy mcveigh blew up the building in oklahoma city.

Have you ever been to Iran?
I know my answer though. it's interesting how conveniently people talk about things they don't have any idea about. there's not such a thing as fundamentalism within people of iran. they're sick of islamic pressure of the regime. there's no "muslim bombing anyone/thing".
and about that issue, you can't change the truth, and that is US soppurted islamic fundamentalism to prevent spread of communism and now hear we are.

yes I also think US has been-is the biggest threat to the world peace.

oops. I guess I got you wrong. sorry about that.

I'm so sick of the propaganda against iran -especially now with the association of US threats in Persian gulf- that I got alergic to my country's name when it comes any where near "bomb" and "fundamentalism"

The Looming Tower: Al-Qaeda and the Road to 9/11

Put down the Noam Chomsky rhetoric and read this book.

McVeigh was agnostic by the way, his family Roman Catholic. He and his accomplices were captured, and later McVeigh was executed. I don't think your comparison with McVeigh is relevant to the GWoT.

Try again?

The war in Iraq was one big mistake for example. But my point is that if america says the opposite of the entire international community the americans still do what they think is good.

How many democratic chosen governments were overthrown the last 50 years in South America?

The entire world is taking measures to prevent climate change, the us doesnt want it because youre economy would grow slower.

That is what I mean with america thinks they are always right.

You can't take over the world with firepower, you can only change who has the power. See what is happening in Iraq, they have thrown over their government but did they take over Iraq? Afghanistan same story, in Kabul it is save but in the rest of the country the Taliban still rule. Vietnam, well, lets dont even mention that one.

To take over a country you need the people to support you, it is not that the one with the biggest gun is automatically the leader.


Guatemala, Chile, Panama.


I expected this one. The reason why it worked in Europe was because the people wanted you there. The us military was welcomed into our cities. But that happened 60 years ago and we are still very greatfull for that but that does not mean that you can do everything you want and expect from us to shut up.

I think, and many people with me, that the us picks up weapons to soon while there are still other options. The reason for that type of behaviour lies in the fact that the us havent had a war for a long time on their own soil. You have been involved in many wars but after the fighting you could always return to the us where everything was the same as you left it. Here we still have traces of the war left. We still find german bombs in the ground, the city where I live was completely destroyed. We don't have an old city centre anymore. Almost every building is less than 70 years old. A few kilometres from my house is still a piece of a brick wall with barbed wire on top. On it is a plaque which states: Behind this wall Jews were kept and made ready for transport to Auschwiz.

All this brings a historical believe about the war that Americans dont have, and I think that is the main reason why americans want to go to war when europeans say lets try to talk.