Israel - Political Forum

DragonBerry · 05-10-2008, 11:53 PM

Why is it that anyone who does or says something that the israeli government or the jewish community doesnt agree with, this person is attacked as being anti semitic?

DragonBerry · 05-10-2008, 11:57 PM

It seems that throughout history anyone who speaks out in a manner that is not in line with the israeli governments beliefs is labeled as an anti semit.....its sending the message globally that if you dont go along israeli beliefs you are and enemy of israel and the united states

PayingAttention · 05-11-2008, 12:58 AM

I am absolutely with you, DragonBerry.

Israel is allowed to get away with murder (literally) and certainly ignore UN resolutions that would have any other country invaded.

As I have said in other responses, it is a western guilt trip because of the Holocaust.

Remember, the founders of Israel had a price on their heads as terrorists in 1947.

The Swiss 557 · 05-11-2008, 04:49 AM

I agree, Israel should be held accountable for their actions, the only problem is the UN won't do anything about it is because the permanent members are only following their agenda, they veto the bills that are contradictory to their interests.

Kerreh · 05-11-2008, 03:15 PM

I've always wondered whether the reason America and Europe accepted the creation of Israel was because of a colonial world view which held that less technologically developed cultures had no right to their land. I'm suspicious that even a Jewish state built on German soil after the Holocaust would not have been approved by the powers that be at the time.

GlobalSmiles · 05-11-2008, 03:43 PM

I'd say its because of their tenuous position and the fact that most topics regarding Israel revolve around their security issues. Its also very very clear that the forum needed a devil's advocate for Israel if nothing else to help under informed positions. Basically what I've read from anyone that has anything to say about it is that Israel is evil. Mind you Israel barely reacts to daily attacks. Most of the violence in Israel the past few months has been pally against pally. . .

Arab League · 05-11-2008, 05:09 PM

what really ammuses me is when an Arab being called Anti-Semetic... eventho Arabs are Semetics...

i think the whole semetism identificaion needs to be improved, since Semetics are a race, while Jews are not, you can be Black, Asian or Caucasian yet be called a semetic... which is redicoulous...

calmObserver · 05-11-2008, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DragonBerry

It seems that throughout history anyone who speaks out in a manner that is not in line with the israeli governments beliefs is labeled as an anti semit.....its sending the message globally that if you dont go along israeli beliefs you are and enemy of israel and the united states

i recall an israeli ambassador to u.s., i don't recall who, saying his greatest accomplishment while ambassador was instilling the notion in the u.s. that anti-zionism equaled anti-semitism. the reason why should be clear to most everyone.

calmObserver · 05-11-2008, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Kerreh

I've always wondered whether the reason America and Europe accepted the creation of Israel was because of a colonial world view which held that less technologically developed cultures had no right to their land...

i think jews for justice in the middle east had it about right when they wrote;

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The U.N. decisions to partition Palestine and then to grant admission to the state of Israel were made, on one level, as an emotional response to the horrors of the Holocaust... for more...

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Originally Posted by Kerreh

...I'm suspicious that even a Jewish state built on German soil after the Holocaust would not have been approved by the powers that be at the time.

interesting that eisenhower considered this. as it turns out when u.n. commission visited the DP [displaced persons] camps in europe after ww ii, the jewish agency made sure commission members were only allowed to interview jewish DPs that wanted to go to palestine

calmObserver · 05-11-2008, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by GlobalSmiles

I'd say its because of their tenuous position and the fact that most topics regarding Israel revolve around their security issues. Its also very very clear that the forum needed a devil's advocate for Israel if nothing else to help under informed positions. Basically what I've read from anyone that has anything to say about it is that Israel is evil. Mind you Israel barely reacts to daily attacks. Most of the violence in Israel the past few months has been pally against pally. . .

i'm afraid the data does not support your position.

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119 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 982 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000.

“The majority of these [Palestinian] children were killed and injured while going about normal daily activities, such as going to school, playing, shopping, or simply being in their homes. Sixty-four percent of children killed during the first six months of 2003 died as a result of Israeli air and ground attacks, or from indiscriminate fire from Israeli soldiers.”

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At least 4,719 Palestinians and 1,044 Israelis have been killed since September 29, 2000.

Source: B'Tselem, The Israeli Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories. (Visit their statistics page.) Their statistics cover through March 31, 2008.

These numbers include civilians and combattants killed by members of the opposing nationality (and therefore, do not include Palestinians killed by an explosive device that they set or was on their person, Israelis killed in 'friendly fire' incidents, etc.). The numbers also do not include the sizable number of Palestinians who died as a result of inability to reach medical care due to Israeli road closures, curfews, etc.

The figure for Palestinian deaths is extremely conservative, since it is difficult for B'Tselem to report on deaths in the Palestinian territories. The Palestine Red Crescent Society, internationally respected for its statistical rigor, reports significantly higher numbers of Palestinian deaths. We do not doubt the reliability of their data, and only use B'Tselem's more conservative numbers because they collect data on both populations.

In the past we used the statistics provided by Israel’s military for the number of Israelis killed, but they have not updated their statistics page since early in 2006. In addition, there is reason to believe that their numbers may have been somewhat inflated.

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