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05-04-2008, 10:38 AM
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Your philosophy is not a neo-con, not even in the same league. Your view is nothing more than a childish play dream. You could just as easily be saying the same thing to a kid in the 5th grade as you say to us. It's that level of discussion.
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lol, it was just a joke thingy, dude. calm down.
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05-04-2008, 10:55 PM
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im just curious to see how many of you still believe manifest destiny still exists.
I personally believe the world should be united under one flag, and that the human race belongs on other worlds. How this should be achieved: by any means necessary. killing? yes. genocide? yes. diplomacy? most definatly.
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Would that be the United States flag, by any chance?
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05-04-2008, 11:22 PM
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lol, it was just a joke thingy, dude. calm down.
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Would you mind telling us your age?
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05-05-2008, 12:39 PM
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We have tried to unite the world under one flag. It's called the United Nations, and it has failed miserably.
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05-05-2008, 01:35 PM
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And none of this sounds faintly reminiscent of good old-fashioned British imperialism? After all, both were international ideologies that the proponents of believed would result in a better world - but the US rightly viewed the existance of the British Empire with contempt. Furthermore, the British Empire was built mainly by trade and diplomacy (how does a tiny island come to rule one quarter of the world through force of arms alone? It can't, is the answer - as Washington aptly demonstrated.)
And yes, the Project for the New American Century isn't really the same thing as British Imperialism and no, I don't think the US is about to try and conquer a quarter of the world, but there are some very striking parallels. For one thing, its bloody name makes it bad enough - why the hell does the next century belong to 4% of the worlds population?
A clever man once said that intelligent men learn from their own mistakes, while the truly wise learn from other peoples. I reckon theres something in that.
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05-05-2008, 02:27 PM
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YEAH. NEOCONS ROCK HARD.
NEOCONS START WARS.
NEOCONS TELL LIES.
NEOCONS SUPPORT PROP...A..GANDA
NEOCONS KILL THOUSANDS
NEOCONS MAKE MORE ENEMIES
Seriously diplomacy and trade takes forever and the Neocons don't have that kind of time. Their agenda is to protect American interests by making other countries as Pro-American as possible and that often times requires toppling unfriendly regimes, fighting wars on Israel's behalf and bombing third world countries. The entire philosophy needs to be scraped altogether. Interventionist policies on behalf of the US large and small has had mixed results at best. If Neocons think the government is so incompetent in everything else, what makes them think it can successfully implement forced social engineering of foreign cultures through war?
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05-05-2008, 07:21 PM
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Would that be the United States flag, by any chance?
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yes, that would work. but its not the only option. a system to Unite Nations could accomplish the same goal. an organization could be established to promote safe globalization and indoctrination of, how do you say, timid states.
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05-06-2008, 06:45 AM
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And none of this sounds faintly reminiscent of good old-fashioned British imperialism? After all, both were international ideologies that the proponents of believed would result in a better world - but the US rightly viewed the existance of the British Empire with contempt. Furthermore, the British Empire was built mainly by trade and diplomacy (how does a tiny island come to rule one quarter of the world through force of arms alone? It can't, is the answer - as Washington aptly demonstrated.)
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Those were days of panache!
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And yes, the Project for the New American Century isn't really the same thing as British Imperialism and no, I don't think the US is about to try and conquer a quarter of the world, but there are some very striking parallels. For one thing, its bloody name makes it bad enough - why the hell does the next century belong to 4% of the worlds population?
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Just to give my two cents; I'd say the next century as you said doesn't really belong to anyone yet nor will for one thing; and a name is just what it's worth, calling a thing.
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A clever man once said that intelligent men learn from their own mistakes, while the truly wise learn from other peoples. I reckon theres something in that.
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I reckon too. Who was this clever man? For I also reckon, about "other peoples" mistakes, he could be talking about what did those good ol' Brits & French; maybe he was next to become American. Who knows? 
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05-07-2008, 04:07 PM
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YEAH. NEOCONS ROCK HARD.
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lol.
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NEOCONS START WARS.
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Indeed, thats the point, initiate small wars to prevent big ones.
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NEOCONS TELL LIES.
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Who doesn't on this level, and afterall all groups ave their bad types.
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NEOCONS SUPPORT PROP...A..GANDA
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Everything you see or hear is someone's propaganda.
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NEOCONS KILL THOUSANDS
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Yea, I think that was the point again. I think what you really want to stress is all the innocents that die during his crap. . .
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NEOCONS MAKE MORE ENEMIES
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Well only in Iraq and the misinformation that went into Iraq had more to do with that then neocon agenda.
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Seriously diplomacy and trade takes forever and the Neocons don't have that kind of time. Their agenda is to protect American interests by making other countries as Pro-American as possible and that often times requires toppling unfriendly regimes, fighting wars on Israel's behalf and bombing third world countries. The entire philosophy needs to be scraped altogether. Interventionist policies on behalf of the US large and small has had mixed results at best. If Neocons think the government is so incompetent in everything else, what makes them think it can successfully implement forced social engineering of foreign cultures through war?
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No on bats 1.000, but the neocon agenda a least shows a plan and is much preferred to the old containment policies imo. Remember as Americans we are damned if we do damned if we don't; there is no action that we take that isn;t criticized one way or another.
There are many great thoughtful articles and papers on the subject. I linked their website cause I think its important that more people talk about this since it is our general policy atm.
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