Ygorl

*My comments in red and between stars*


* Desperate liberals can of course totally dismiss this story. After all, it came from NEWSMAX. It was also written by a guy with the last name LIMBAUGH. *

If the anti-GOP mainstream media (MSM) gave as much credence to stories of real deception by Democrats as they do to phony allegations of Republican deception, the political landscape would look dramatically different.

The MSM dutifully reports as fact the Democrats false allegations that Bush lied about Iraqi WMD. At worst it was a mistake, since Bush was properly relying on the virtually unanimous opinion of all major intelligence agencies in the United States and the world. To lie' is to say something you know at the time to be false.

* The MSM dutifully reports as fact almost ANY unproven negative allegation about conservative republicans. Of course liberals will find thousands of creative, condescending and insulting ways to dismiss this very obvious fact about the mainstream media. *

In fairness, though, it was not President Bush's mistake, but the intelligence agencies. If you insist on saying Bush made a mistake, so did the Democrats who voted along with him with access to the same intelligence, though they've lied in denying that as well. When Democrats assassinate Vice President Dick Cheney's character with absurd lies, like "war for oil," the MSM reports this matter of-factly as "VP under fire."

* There's an example of the creative and insulting absurdities created by our liberal media friends. Yeah, we went into Iraq for oil. *

When Cheney hits Democratic leader Harry Reid squarely in the eye with truthful charges of his lies and inconsistencies, Cheney is portrayed as a vicious partisan hit man. The occasion for Cheney's statement on Reid was the Senate majority leader's regrettable declaration that we have lost the war in Iraq. Cheney decided to set the record straight on Reid's opportunistic oscillation on Iraq. Cheney noted that in just five months Reid has taken three distinctly different positions on the war - "from pledging full funding for the military, then full funding but with conditions, and then a cutoff of funding ... on the most important foreign policy question facing the nation and our troops. Cheney also pointed out that Reid falsely stated the troop surge was against the recommendations of the Iraq Study Group (whom I call the Iraq Surrender Group), which is "plainly false." The ISG report "was explicitly favorable toward a troop surge to secure Baghdad."

This surge, in the opinion of the general in command, is critical to our victory in Iraq, and Reid is lying about the ISGs recommendation on it. So this lie conceivably could affect the very outcome of the war and, thus our national security.

Reid said Democrats aren't given the opportunity for real substantive meetings with the White House. However, said Cheney, Reid recently had emerged from a meeting at the White House and said, "It was a good exchange; everyone voiced their considered opinion about the war in Iraq." Checkmate !

expatincebu

What a bunch of crap! The MSM is neither left nor right, they are CORPORATE. This means they align themselves with whatever suits their pursuit of maximum profits.

If the MSM is so left wing why did were they so gung ho for Bush's war? Why do they still fail to take issue with the continuing lies of the administration on everything.

Finally, it was NOT the unanimous decision of all the world's intelligence that Iraq had WMD. In fact, the only intelligence supporting that view was manufactured by Cheney's shadow intelligence group in the pentagon.

Ygorl

Again, you're failing to directly address any of the actual text of the reading :-)

No, you just want to blow smoke at us.

Yeah, the MSM "were so gung ho for Bush's war"

Where DO you live

Is it one of the bodies IN this solar system ?

Tumbleweed

A conservative tabloid news outlet complaining about how the MSM distorts the news doesn't sound very convincing to me.

Even a conservative should be able to see the irony in that statement.

I don't feel Bush deserves the benefit of the doubt.

Actually Ygorl, you lost me after the desperate liberal comment.

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"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead." Thomas Paine

Military might doesn't make up for political stupidity.

Ygorl

Well, I didn't write the article. I COMMENTED on it :-)

It's certainly nothing new that people like to find ANY excuse NOT to read and address the actual text from what is written.

Not sure why one would bother commenting if they're not going to bother reading the subject matter.

There are plenty of threads that I have no interest, or motivation to post in.

For various reasons.

I don't bother with 'em.

What ? Are you guys just BORED ?

Tumbleweed

And I commented on it as well.

Not really bored so much as amused. Stories like this are getting to be a tough sell, even where Republicans are concerned.

Bush and Cheney both screwed up and no amount of blaming the liberals for it will change the facts. Even their biggest supporters are trying to distance themselves from their failed policies.

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"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead." Thomas Paine

Military might doesn't make up for political stupidity.

Ygorl

If you count dismissing the entire writing with "A conservative tabloid news outlet complaining about how the MSM distorts the news doesn't sound very convincing to me." as commenting.

Actually, I saw no "complaining". I saw a commentary on the fact that the liberal MSM presents news to the public with a certain kind of distortion.

That your only motivation for "commenting" is an attempt to dismiss the writing as useless and unworthy of reading only underlines your unwillingness to actually comment on what is SAID in the writing.

Is that so ? I'm glad you're amused. Amusement rarely has anything to do with tough realities though, lets remember that.

Are we "blaming the liberals" here ? Is THAT what we're doing ? Or are we just reminding the people that If you insist on saying Bush made a mistake, so did the Democrats who voted along with him with access to the same intelligence, though they've lied in denying that as well. When Democrats assassinate Vice President Dick Cheney's character with absurd lies, like "war for oil," the MSM reports this matter of-factly as "VP under fire."

It was ONLY that "Bush and Cheney both screwed up" was it ?

No one ELSE ?

Sell yourself that fantasy if you wish. Only so many of us will choke that one down.

As far as what is CURRENTLY going on in OTHER facets of Bush's presidency, this writing isn't about those issues. Try to desperately reform it INTO those if you want, but it isn't.

It is about how the MSM dutifully reports as fact almost ANY unproven negative allegation about conservative republicans and distorts or IGNORES the many mindboggling foibles of liberal democrats.

Lets look again at some of what is written:

Bush was properly relying on the virtually unanimous opinion of all major intelligence agencies in the United States and the world.

In fairness, though, it was not President Bush's mistake, but the intelligence agencies. If you insist on saying Bush made a mistake, so did the Democrats who voted along with him with access to the same intelligence, though they've lied in denying that as well. When Democrats assassinate Vice President Dick Cheney's character with absurd lies, like "war for oil," the MSM reports this matter of-factly as "VP under fire."

So, there we are. Ignore or feign amusement or whatnot, it doesn't matter. It's obvious you and others aren't interested in any of it.

You could follow along with "expatincebu" and declare "What a bunch of crap!" and move on I suppose

Tumbleweed

Well, I appreciate you telling me what I think just because I'm a liberal Ygorl, but the facts speak for themselves. It been rehashed so much it has a gag factor to it. To say the Democrats are as much to blame as the Bush administration for this war isn't true.IMO.

As for Dick Cheney's character, I wasn't aware anyone would try to sell that snake oil.

Save your lecture on how I should perceive what was in the article.

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"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead." Thomas Paine

Military might doesn't make up for political stupidity.

Ygorl

Again, it seems your only motivation for activity in this thread is an attempt to dismiss the writing as useless and unworthy of reading.

And again, you won't actually comment on what is SAID in the writing.

Beyond making the nebulous statement the "..the facts speak for themselves."

Tumbleweed

So I was only supposed to reply in this thread if I agreed with the article?

I replied to give a desperate liberal view on it's content. I didn't think it would take thousands of creative, condescending and insulting ways to dismiss it either.

A few well worded comments did the trick.

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"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead." Thomas Paine

Military might doesn't make up for political stupidity.