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Old 04-23-2007, 11:02 AM   #1 (permalink)
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How Many Have We Killed?

This is one thing that really bothers me. I can't quite understand the estimated numbers of dead insurgents, and why the media doesn't really bother to post it. All we hear about are the dead soldiers and civilians in breaking headlines, which gives the impression that we are really getting our arses handed to us in Iraq. But from what I understand, the number of dead insurgents far outweighs the number of servicemen we have lost. The only problem I can see, is that insurgents are sometimes counted among the dead civilians, for which reasons I am not sure. But it certainly would give an exaggerated count of dead civilians, when quite a few of them are actually dead insurgents.

I remember this past year, I read a very good article in a magazine for Vietnam Veterans, and when looking back in hindsight, the author realized just how much the media played right into the enemy's hands and boosted their morale while killing our own. Supposedly, the Tet offensive was portrayed by the media as a blow to the US military and victory for the enemy. But the numbers of the dead told otherwise, and the Viet Cong never achieved their objective. When reading the comments from ex-Viet Cong soldiers who fought in that battle, they were very surprised at how the battle was portrayed by the American media, because they felt they lost that battle. As a matter of fact, if you look at the actual numbers, you can see that the Americans were clearly killing way more Viet Cong in the entire Vietnam War. But that's a side that we rarely hear.

I think that it's pretty clear that if the media is not on board with a war, they will play a very big part of playing into the hands of the enemy. While the media's intentions are probably well meaning, they have to understand that we are fighting an enemy that slyly knows how to manipulate their sympathy.

My baby brother is in Baghdad, and I was really disgusted at Senator Reid's comments this past week that the war was already lost. Those are not the kinds of public comments that should be made by a highly touted government official while my brother is still risking his life in Iraq.

Anyways, if you ever find the time, here is an interesting commentary video by somebody who I do not know, but who has some interesting, but maybe at times harsh, things to say about the media and some of things said by the anti-war left. I may not completely agree with everything 100%, but I still find it interesting, nonetheless.

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Old 04-23-2007, 11:30 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Thats actually true, you have a vast superior ratio when it comes to lethal cases amongst your men.

But keep in mind, the insurgents have enough resources to compensate their losses. The US however has not much space for more losses, not so much due to their capabilities of the army but due to public pressure.

But what is in my eyes the most important thing is the numbers of civilian victims. And why the US does not even estimate them. Not to talk about counting them. It even opposes the slightest attempts for doing so.
For a good reason of course.

The low casualties for the Americans are bought by high casualties on the side of Iraqi civilians. There is a reason that Iraqis consider the sheer presence of an American jeep or soldier already a very real threat to their lifes. This threat multiplies if the Iraqi dares to drive a car.

To put it simple, the US army thinks lets say, 5 dead Iraqi civilians (shot accidentally) are better than one blown up US soldier. Thats of course a calculation that does not create a very good relationship between occupators and peaceful Iraqi civilians who have to pay for the higher security for US forces with their own lifes.
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400,000 civilians have died in Iraq as a result of our occupation.
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400,000 civilians have died in Iraq as a result of our occupation.

almost all have been killed by their own countrymen and those peace loveing alqueda dudes
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almost all have been killed by their own countrymen and those peace loveing alqueda dudes
I am sure thats of very much help for the Iraqis to know this...

The point is, without invasion, hardly anyone of them would have died.
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Actually, no. First of all Al-Queda does not have a very large presence in Iraq. Second, American Bombimb, shelling, and indiscriminate violence is responsible for a lot of these deaths. Over 100,000 people were killed by American Bombing during "shock and awe". While many civilians are killed as a result of insurgent attacks that WE PROVOKED IN THE FIRST PLACE, US soldiers kill MANY civilians. It is so rampant you can easily find many videos on youtube that clearly show US forces murdering civilians. It is commonplace.
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Old 05-30-2007, 02:05 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Actually, no. First of all Al-Queda does not have a very large presence in Iraq. Second, American Bombimb, shelling, and indiscriminate violence is responsible for a lot of these deaths. Over 100,000 people were killed by American Bombing during "shock and awe". While many civilians are killed as a result of insurgent attacks that WE PROVOKED IN THE FIRST PLACE, US soldiers kill MANY civilians. It is so rampant you can easily find many videos on youtube that clearly show US forces murdering civilians. It is commonplace.
Man revolutionary take another hit off that joint.. dude insurgents easily kill more civilians than our "not your" soldiers do. Suicide bombs at schools,market places, intersections doesnt matter they do it. Unfortunetly they also shoot morters from the back yards of inocent people, also Im an avid you tube surfer and if you call the insurgents innocent civilians then your right, on you tube I see alot of insugents dying. The media never show the good my son and other solldiers are doing over there, they rebuilt a school 3 times because your buddies al-queda blow it up because of the girls that go and because we built it and supplied it . GOD BLESS AMERICA !!!
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Man revolutionary take another hit off that joint.. dude insurgents easily kill more civilians than our "not your" soldiers do. Suicide bombs at schools,market places, intersections doesnt matter they do it. Unfortunetly they also shoot morters from the back yards of inocent people, also Im an avid you tube surfer and if you call the insurgents innocent civilians then your right, on you tube I see alot of insugents dying. The media never show the good my son and other solldiers are doing over there, they rebuilt a school 3 times because your buddies al-queda blow it up because of the girls that go and because we built it and supplied it . GOD BLESS AMERICA !!!
I never said we kill more than the insurgents, I said we kill innocent civilians which is bad enough. And when we kill innocent civilians, more Iraqi people will join the fight against the United States, which will harm us/our efforts. If wanting good for the Unite States makes me an al-queda buddy then so be it. While there is good going on, what we have done (started this war) is evil. GOD BLESS HUMANITY!!!
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Old 05-30-2007, 05:59 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Study Claims Iraq's 'Excess' Death Toll Has Reached 655,000 - washingtonpost.com

According to the study, 31% were from the coalition forces.
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Study Claims Iraq's 'Excess' Death Toll Has Reached 655,000 - washingtonpost.com

According to the study, 31% were from the coalition forces.
Thank you. WE have killed over 200,000 ourselves. Enough Said.

YouTube - US Soldiers Kill Every Civilian Passing by the Road. Funny?
YouTube - American soldiers shoot at a civilian bus in Iraq
YouTube - Iraq War Vets talk about random civilian killings
http://youtube.com/watch?search=&mod...&v=7bCskfca9IU
YouTube - TESTIMONY OF A FORMER US ARMY RANGER Part-1/2
YouTube - TESTIMONY OF A FORMER US ARMY RANGER Part 2/2
YouTube - Immature American Punks Gleefully Fire at Iraqi Car

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