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08-08-2007, 10:48 PM
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Why is that so ?
Cuban politics work from the bottom up. It is an inclusive system with the people active in candidate selection. The lack of money required to run also cuts out a great deal of corruption the and vested interests that investment in acampaign creates. We know that the candidates are not bound by investors to do their bidding. We in the west could really learn a thing or two about being a democracy from Cuba. |
08-09-2007, 01:57 AM
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Why is that so ?
Cuban politics work from the bottom up. It is an inclusive system with the people active in candidate selection. The lack of money required to run also cuts out a great deal of corruption the and vested interests that investment in acampaign creates. We know that the candidates are not bound by investors to do their bidding. We in the west could really learn a thing or two about being a democracy from Cuba.
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Ahh yes, but remember Joep, to americans, communism is not really a system dedicated to the working classes but to the party in power, they believe them to be corrupt, exploitative, terrorising, oppressive and dangerous to the 'freedom' of america. In truth, they know nothing about communism, to them, Castro is an oppressive dictator (nevermind that he does have popular support).
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08-09-2007, 11:52 AM
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Ahh yes, but remember Joep, to americans, communism is not really a system dedicated to the working classes but to the party in power, they believe them to be corrupt, exploitative, terrorising, oppressive and dangerous to the 'freedom' of america. In truth, they know nothing about communism, to them, Castro is an oppressive dictator (nevermind that he does have popular support).
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You're making a lot of incorrect and stupid generalizations. Castro may very well have popular support, but in no way is Cuba "the most democratic system of the world", regardless of whether it's Communist or not.
In writing, Communism is a system dedicated to the working class. In reality, it almost never has been that. |
08-09-2007, 06:03 PM
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You're making a lot of incorrect and stupid generalizations. Castro may very well have popular support, but in no way is Cuba "the most democratic system of the world", regardless of whether it's Communist or not.
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Hey hey, i wasn't the one who said it was the most democratic system of the world, but it does have some good points that every country could learn from. (As do other political systems)
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In writing, Communism is a system dedicated to the working class. In reality, it almost never has been that.
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True that almost every government that has become communist has never really truly dedicated itself to the working masses but you can't deny the fact that many have put in social reforms that based itself around bettering the working classes that was not, and in some countires today, is still yet to be seen in. (Take for example Mao Tse-Tung, first person to give equality to women)
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08-09-2007, 06:49 PM
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Hey hey, i wasn't the one who said it was the most democratic system of the world, but it does have some good points that every country could learn from. (As do other political systems)
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True that almost every government that has become communist has never really truly dedicated itself to the working masses but you can't deny the fact that many have put in social reforms that based itself around bettering the working classes that was not, and in some countires today, is still yet to be seen in. (Take for example Mao Tse-Tung, first person to give equality to women)
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With Mao, the good is so strongly outweighed by the bad that the good doesn't really have any significance.
Personally, I believe the only well meaning, non-corrupt communist leader to ever exist was Ho Chi Minh. JMO. If communism truly brings equality as it promises to, the world is still waiting for it to do so. |
08-09-2007, 09:03 PM
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like i already said, the community are involved in candidate selection rather than a party deciding or the candidate with the most money being selected. Campaigns aren't supported by business so they only represent the people not those paying for their campaign. That's just a few things we could learn. If you read the article you will find a few more. |
08-10-2007, 07:41 AM
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Cuba: as Joep said, candidates not persuaded by companies and thought of a practical way to get rid of prisoners without killing them. (i.e. send them t america  )
Nazi Germany and Stalinist Russia: aside from being inherently evil (which ain't a good thing), they were authoritarian governments that got things done.
Australia: Parliamentary Democracy meaning that whoever is in power does not have absolute power (unless they have majority in upper and lower houses)
Maoist China: in the beginning, brought in social reforms unseen in other countries which was good for almost everyone.
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With Mao, the good is so strongly outweighed by the bad that the good doesn't really have any significance.
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I'm only really focusing on the good points (same for above) coz if we focused on all the bad points, in many countries they would outweigh the good points.
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08-10-2007, 12:50 PM
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Cuba: as Joep said, candidates not persuaded by companies and thought of a practical way to get rid of prisoners without killing them. (i.e. send them t america )
Nazi Germany and Stalinist Russia: aside from being inherently evil (which ain't a good thing), they were authoritarian governments that got things done.
Australia: Parliamentary Democracy meaning that whoever is in power does not have absolute power (unless they have majority in upper and lower houses)
Maoist China: in the beginning, brought in social reforms unseen in other countries which was good for almost everyone.
Oligarchical Collectivism: Utopia for all
I'm only really focusing on the good points (same for above) coz if we focused on all the bad points, in many countries they would outweigh the good points. |
I think I like Cuba's prison idea the best. Maybe we could send ours to Iraq as "private contractors" |
08-10-2007, 08:11 PM
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I think I like Cuba's prison idea the best. Maybe we could send ours to Iraq as "private contractors" |
I've always been for the two birds with one stone idea
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