Boring

American chainguns mounted on American walls,

jaro

Cheap labour is really cheap, they can only get perhaps free education, but no social security or medical treatment. All developed countries were built either on slave labour or 19th century work force. US were built early on black slavery and then on cheap worforce from europe. China is repeating it now. Countries that have no social security, cheap labour, good organization have good potential to outgrow countries which do not have these advantages. Its a big difference when you for example want to build a dam - and you just need to pay for food, little clothing, material and nothing else.

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rogue

Well, I guess someone's been getting all their information about illegal immigration in America from the world media? Yeah, cheap labor is really cheap for the employers of illegals who pay the cheap wages and provide NO benefits. However, this cheap labor IS subsidized by American taxpayers in the form of social services, i.e. welfare, food stamps, anything that fake documents can get them and their families, emergency room medical, this is the illegals' family medical plan, anything from a hang nail to a knife wound, take the family and go to the ER, education for the illegal's children, overcrowded classrooms requiring new schools to be built, non English speaking students, resulting in a shambles of the American school system, incarceration of criminal illegals isn't cheap either, anchor babies, have an anchor baby or better have two, which will enable an illegal family to live off of welfare until the anchor baby turns 18. Etc, etc. Cheap illegal labor? Hardly.

What happened in the past regarding how America was built with cheap labor doesn't mean crap today. Today this cheap labor is ILLEGAL and is by no means cheap.

jaro

How can you get social security without a SSN? They cannot get SSN since they are not US citizens. I bet most of them never go to ER, since they haven't got much money and don't speak your language. Going to ER would also increase the risk of being caught. Elementary education isn't as expensive as medical care and social security (which they don't get), so the cost of them staying in the US isn't much higher than their wages.

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nerv14

I was wondering if the huge fence bordering Mexico to keep out illegal immigrants would be affordable or if it would work. I really have no idea.

rogue

When you talk about social security, are you talking about a social security check from the federal government or are you talking about welfare? Not too many illegals get social security checks from the fed gov, but countless illegals get welfare. To get welfare all you need are easily obtained fake documents. Welfare case workers, in most cases aren't allowed to check legal status. I guess the world media wouldn't tell you about the numerous hospital closings caused by the flood of illegals going through them, none of whom actually ever pay their bill. Or go to the ER yourself and have to wait 4 hours because of the overwhelming numbers of illegals ahead of you. Classrooms overcrowded with illegals create pressure to build new expensive schools and to hire Spanish speaking teachers to teach the hordes of illegal children who don't speak English. this is creating chaos in the classroom and RUINING our school systems. 25% to 30% of those incarcerated in our federal prison are illegal aliens. Incarceration isn't cheap. What about the loss of tax revenue from displaced American workers with illegal aliens workers?

So the cost of the illegals and their families staying in the US isn't much higher than their wages? You've been exposed haven't you?

Apparently the world media hasn't been giving the correct information?

jaro

I always hear how difficult it is to get any healthcare for poor americans (not just sicko), so I don't buy the argument they just walk into ER, without speaking English and get free healthcare. While this is possible in Britain, I don't think its so easy in the US. Please present some statistics and their sources.
The statement about percentage of foreigners in your prisons is a serious allegation, please give me a link to serious source where I can verify it.
If anybody is claiming any social security illegaly in your state, then it is a problem in your system, the loophole should be fixed and perpetrators punished. But you seem to be happy with it so you can have 1 more argument against illegals.

I wonder how you convinced Mexico to join Nafta with your approach - you treat them like some scum. If someone wanted to build a wall on my border, I surely wouldn't be a friend with him.

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rogue

I'm not going to bother giving you statistics and sources on something that is so readily available on the internet. Do a google search yourself. The fed gov has said that if you go to the ER no one can be refused medical care. So any illegal alien can go to the ER and get medical care. The hospital is not allowed to check citizenship status. It doesn't matter whether you speak English or not, and most illegals don't. Illegals go to the ER for everything, it has become their medical plan. They never pay their medical bills and the hospital can't do a thing about it. I suppose this is one aspect that the world media doesn't report?

The percentage of illegals in our fed prisons is a serious allegation? Illegals claiming welfare is a problem, the loopholes fixed and the perpetrators punished? That's what a lot of anti illegal aliens groups are talking about.

That we seem to be happy with what is happening with illegals so we will have arguments against them is a STUPID statement on your part. It almost makes you not worth arguing with.

I didn't have anything to do with Nafta. It seems to have worked out very well with our ruling elites but has hit out middle class very hard. Frankly, alot of the Mexican illegals that break into the US illegally, UNINVITED, ARE scum.

When the country of Mexico dumps their poverty regects off on the US to the point that we have to build a fence to keep them out, I don't expect to be or want to be a friend of Mexico.

What we have here is an incompetent dry drunk President and his handlers, the same President with the ridiculous dream of bringing democracy to Iraq, a country full of wild eyed muslims still living in the 14th century, oh and to protect our oil interests in the ME, who has the ridiculous dream of forcing America, there won't be a chance for Americans to vote on it, to merge with Canada and Mexico in the North American Union, oh and did I tell you that Canada and Mexico have a lot of oil?

jaro

Ok we are done with the discussion.

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