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Old 01-31-2008, 01:15 PM
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Change our immgration laws so that the don't discriminate based upon race, religion, gender, national origin, etc. and allow those that have or can find work in the United States immigrate legally.

The US immigration laws reflect the hypocracy of America. Discrimination, which is banned by the federal government in the workforce, is fundamental the basis for our immigration laws which cater to WASP and deny others legal entry into the United States.
Discrimination of a kind is very desirable for immigration. The reason to allow immigrants into a country is that they can help the country, not the other way around. Now obviously it should not be racial discrimination, but economic discrimination, or health based discrimination is perfectly acceptable. We should discriminate to only bring in the kind of workers that are needed, and at the number that are needed, if any are needed. Bringing in skilled workers who can benefit our economy is certainly more beneficial then bringing in people who will end up on the public dole. We also don't want to bring in sickly people who are of no benefit to us or those who could spread diseases amongst our poulation.

We already run very high unemployment rates among the unskilled labor force. I don't have the numbers on hand, but I'd imagine its higher than 10%, sometimes as high as 40% in the inner city. Why not get all these people employed with the jobs first, then bring in low skilled immigrants if we need more workers, on a need basis (America's, not the immigrants).

Unless there are simply too many jobs for the people of the United States to fill themselves, I see no way that it could be beneficial to us to bring in more immigrants. The current wave of low skilled illegal labor has greatly hurt the low skilled Americans who were already here, driving down their wages and standards of living.

American's first in my opinion.
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Old 01-31-2008, 04:09 PM
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yes I agree with that
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Old 02-27-2008, 01:26 PM
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Shiva,

can you tell me which group of WASP'S are being catered to because of their mass practice of coming to this country illegally. This argument is racist. How long and to whom am I required to pay a penance for having been born White?
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Old 02-27-2008, 10:40 PM
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bododie?

ever heard of the Chinese Exclusion Act, sir?

know how many Europeans were allowed to emigrate to these shores in the years 1882~1965, while one whole group of peoples were denied such access, bud?

the question hasn't always been one of "legality", but more often one of "fairness"
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Old 02-28-2008, 05:53 AM
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Invade Mexico and Canada?
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Old 03-04-2008, 01:37 AM
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Change our immgration laws so that the don't discriminate based upon race, religion, gender, national origin, etc. and allow those that have or can find work in the United States immigrate legally.

The US immigration laws reflect the hypocracy of America. Discrimination, which is banned by the federal government in the workforce, is fundamental the basis for our immigration laws which cater to WASP and deny others legal entry into the United States.
Promoting anarchy, huh?

Well, US immigration policy should be based on what is good for America and NOT what is good for prospective immigrants.
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Old 03-04-2008, 02:43 PM
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Invade Mexico and Canada?
Instead of the NAFTA, Im with Woody, Why dont we just go back to the old days of playing Empire??
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Old 03-24-2008, 02:40 PM
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The sole problem, the only problem that needs to be addressed regarding Illegal Immigration, is the welfare state.

The Welfare State subsidizes everything from poverty, teen pregnancies, uncontrolled immigration and deficit spending.
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Old 03-24-2008, 02:52 PM
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Bringing in skilled workers who can benefit our economy is certainly more beneficial then bringing in people who will end up on the public dole.
Two problems with your opinion as I see it.

First of all the "skilled" people that we are bringing in are actually displacing skilled people in the United States. I recently left a company that brought in British management and yet there are lots of highly qualified Americans that could have filled the position.

Secondly, immigrants typically are employed and not on the public dole. Recent studies have also shown that crime is down in areas with large immigration populations. The fact is that they are hard working, law abiding individuals that are highly desirable to have in America. They come here for the American Dream which means that the individual works to get ahead in life. They do not come here for welfare or government handouts. The belief that they do is a Rush Limbaugh myth.
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Old 03-25-2008, 12:03 AM
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Two problems with your opinion as I see it.

First of all the "skilled" people that we are bringing in are actually displacing skilled people in the United States. I recently left a company that brought in British management and yet there are lots of highly qualified Americans that could have filled the position.

Secondly, immigrants typically are employed and not on the public dole. Recent studies have also shown that crime is down in areas with large immigration populations. The fact is that they are hard working, law abiding individuals that are highly desirable to have in America. They come here for the American Dream which means that the individual works to get ahead in life. They do not come here for welfare or government handouts. The belief that they do is a Rush Limbaugh myth.
Aren't you overlooking the fact the the only ones profiting from the illegal aliens are the employers of illegal aliens. These employers of illegals line their pockets by paying cheap wages AND no benefits, while at the same time this cheap illegal labor is subsidized by the American taxpayer in the form of social services, emergency room medical, crowded schools, incarceration, etc. So maybe this cheap labor isn't so cheap after all? Unless you're an employer of illegals why is everyone so excited about the country filling up with a 19th century work force?
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